Comments on: Is OU’s Offense the Best Ever? http://heismanpundit.com/2008/11/30/is-ous-offense-the-best-ever/ Breaking Down The Politics Of The Most Prestigious Award In Sports Wed, 08 Feb 2012 19:30:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: More On The OU Offense… | Heismanpundit http://heismanpundit.com/2008/11/30/is-ous-offense-the-best-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-5816 More On The OU Offense… | Heismanpundit Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:11:45 +0000 http://heismanpundit.com/?p=1962#comment-5816 [...] am surprised that the note from my post from earlier in the week has not been touted, namely that OU is on the verge of becoming the first team in NCAA history with [...] [...] am surprised that the note from my post from earlier in the week has not been touted, namely that OU is on the verge of becoming the first team in NCAA history with [...]

]]> By: Jeremy http://heismanpundit.com/2008/11/30/is-ous-offense-the-best-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-5723 Jeremy Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:14:31 +0000 http://heismanpundit.com/?p=1962#comment-5723 My memory is fuzzy, but was there an overall lacking of good defenses in the pac10 during the 05 season? I've been saying all year long it seems like the Big12 this year is like the pac10 of yesteryear - all offense, no defense. Without pouring through the numbers, it seems week in/out, there was a ton of games this year in the big 12 where scoring was in upper 30s/40s/50s? Is that great offense? Or bad defense? Or a bit of both. I'm guessing the latter, but again, Best offense ever is all subjective. My memory is fuzzy, but was there an overall lacking of good defenses in the pac10 during the 05 season?

I’ve been saying all year long it seems like the Big12 this year is like the pac10 of yesteryear – all offense, no defense. Without pouring through the numbers, it seems week in/out, there was a ton of games this year in the big 12 where scoring was in upper 30s/40s/50s? Is that great offense? Or bad defense? Or a bit of both. I’m guessing the latter, but again, Best offense ever is all subjective.

]]> By: Hornsgotscrewed http://heismanpundit.com/2008/11/30/is-ous-offense-the-best-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-5705 Hornsgotscrewed Mon, 01 Dec 2008 07:07:51 +0000 http://heismanpundit.com/?p=1962#comment-5705 Chris, the problem with saying who has the "best ____ ever" is that it is all speculative and dependent upon the era in which the team played and which conference they happened to play in at the time. Defense could be judged in much the same way that you are speaking of these offenses. Maybe they did not face any worthy opponents and thus their stats were inflated. Now, i will not argue that overall today the SEC has superior defenses to the Big 12, but excluding Florida and Alabama i do not believe that their defenses are any better than the Big 12 offenses. What I believe is that in order to succeed a team needs a capable defense coupled with a high powered offense or vice- versa. The problem with many of the Teams today is that they lack both. They either exist like many of the C-USA or Big 12 teams and play in systems that throw up points, or they play in systems like the SEC that play defense but tend to be anemic on the other side of the ball. My Gripe hear lies in the nature that although I feel Florida and Alabama are both deserving, well-rounded teams; Oklahoma is not. Their defense is porous and lacks the ability to stop even mild offenses such as Kansas, Kansas State and Nebraska. Even Washington, the worst team in FBS, was able to put up 14 before Reynolds was even injured. Their lack of ability to manage a game due to this crucial part of the game is masked by Stoops willingness, and lack of sportsmanship, in running up scores on demoralized teams. So ultimately what I'm saying is that although yes "Defense wins championships," it is not the alltime defense that necessarily wins them. All a team needs is a capable defense matched with a top-tier offense, although not necessarily an all-time offense, to succeed. 2005 Texas, 2001 Miami, 2000 Oklahoma are all examples of what a team with an above average offense coupled with a good defense can do. Chris,
the problem with saying who has the “best ____ ever” is that it is all speculative and dependent upon the era in which the team played and which conference they happened to play in at the time. Defense could be judged in much the same way that you are speaking of these offenses. Maybe they did not face any worthy opponents and thus their stats were inflated. Now, i will not argue that overall today the SEC has superior defenses to the Big 12, but excluding Florida and Alabama i do not believe that their defenses are any better than the Big 12 offenses. What I believe is that in order to succeed a team needs a capable defense coupled with a high powered offense or vice- versa. The problem with many of the Teams today is that they lack both. They either exist like many of the C-USA or Big 12 teams and play in systems that throw up points, or they play in systems like the SEC that play defense but tend to be anemic on the other side of the ball.
My Gripe hear lies in the nature that although I feel Florida and Alabama are both deserving, well-rounded teams; Oklahoma is not. Their defense is porous and lacks the ability to stop even mild offenses such as Kansas, Kansas State and Nebraska. Even Washington, the worst team in FBS, was able to put up 14 before Reynolds was even injured. Their lack of ability to manage a game due to this crucial part of the game is masked by Stoops willingness, and lack of sportsmanship, in running up scores on demoralized teams.
So ultimately what I’m saying is that although yes “Defense wins championships,” it is not the alltime defense that necessarily wins them. All a team needs is a capable defense matched with a top-tier offense, although not necessarily an all-time offense, to succeed. 2005 Texas, 2001 Miami, 2000 Oklahoma are all examples of what a team with an above average offense coupled with a good defense can do.

]]> By: Anonymous http://heismanpundit.com/2008/11/30/is-ous-offense-the-best-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-5704 Anonymous Mon, 01 Dec 2008 05:57:39 +0000 http://heismanpundit.com/?p=1962#comment-5704 Will we ever learn? See Oklahoma offense circa 2003/2004 and look where that got them. Also remember that Oklahoma has lost its last 4 BCS games, but still we want to give them the benefit of the doubt? Will we ever learn? Will we ever learn? See Oklahoma offense circa 2003/2004 and look where that got them. Also remember that Oklahoma has lost its last 4 BCS games, but still we want to give them the benefit of the doubt? Will we ever learn?

]]> By: Chris http://heismanpundit.com/2008/11/30/is-ous-offense-the-best-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-5703 Chris Mon, 01 Dec 2008 04:39:22 +0000 http://heismanpundit.com/?p=1962#comment-5703 I hear you Hornsgotscrewed. Your points bring me to another: If you agree that "defense wins championships", then isn't the more pertinent question, who has the best defense ever? Further, with 50-60 point games common place in the Big 12, one has to wonder "does defense happen there"? It will be interesting to see what happens in the Natty match-up where a Big 12 squad will face a stout, speedy D. So who does have the best D in the nation? Would that be USC? Shouldn't that count for something? Why is it high octane offenses get you noticed but historic D just means "you play in a weak conference"? I hear you Hornsgotscrewed.

Your points bring me to another: If you agree that “defense wins championships”, then isn’t the more pertinent question, who has the best defense ever? Further, with 50-60 point games common place in the Big 12, one has to wonder “does defense happen there”? It will be interesting to see what happens in the Natty match-up where a Big 12 squad will face a stout, speedy D.

So who does have the best D in the nation? Would that be USC? Shouldn’t that count for something? Why is it high octane offenses get you noticed but historic D just means “you play in a weak conference”?

]]> By: Hornsgotscrewed http://heismanpundit.com/2008/11/30/is-ous-offense-the-best-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-5694 Hornsgotscrewed Mon, 01 Dec 2008 01:34:39 +0000 http://heismanpundit.com/?p=1962#comment-5694 Im thinking of what could be the unifying factor between both of those two offenses? It may be that when both of them faced Texas they lost. OU's offense may be good but when they went up a good defense in either Texas or TCU they were forced to become one-dimensional and were both times held well below their scoring average. In my opinion I would have to say that USC's offense was the superior one in that they went up against one of the best defenses in the nation and only lost because of the freak that was VY. Im thinking of what could be the unifying factor between both of those two offenses? It may be that when both of them faced Texas they lost. OU’s offense may be good but when they went up a good defense in either Texas or TCU they were forced to become one-dimensional and were both times held well below their scoring average. In my opinion I would have to say that USC’s offense was the superior one in that they went up against one of the best defenses in the nation and only lost because of the freak that was VY.

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