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		<title>By: SwimTexas</title>
		<link>http://heismanpundit.com/2009/09/28/the-hp-heisman-watch-8/comment-page-1/#comment-10939</link>
		<dc:creator>SwimTexas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 03:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously, I don&#039;t even comment here much anymore, but This Choco guy is the biggest homers I have ever read.

Tebow is great man.  I think he is amazing. To be among the top 2-3 guys in the NCAA for 3 years is incredible.  Makes him one of the greatest of all time.  But this guy needs to relax.

Take a pill, kick back, and watch some football.  Lot of games left to be played.

By the way, 6 SEC teams in the top 25...... but even with the upset specials on OU, OSU, and Tech.........6 from the Big 12.  I am just sayin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, I don&#8217;t even comment here much anymore, but This Choco guy is the biggest homers I have ever read.</p>
<p>Tebow is great man.  I think he is amazing. To be among the top 2-3 guys in the NCAA for 3 years is incredible.  Makes him one of the greatest of all time.  But this guy needs to relax.</p>
<p>Take a pill, kick back, and watch some football.  Lot of games left to be played.</p>
<p>By the way, 6 SEC teams in the top 25&#8230;&#8230; but even with the upset specials on OU, OSU, and Tech&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;6 from the Big 12.  I am just sayin.</p>
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		<title>By: sandymex</title>
		<link>http://heismanpundit.com/2009/09/28/the-hp-heisman-watch-8/comment-page-1/#comment-10879</link>
		<dc:creator>sandymex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 10:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one thinks Tebow can do it alone. But in critical situations everyone knows Tebow&#039;s going to have the ball and he&#039;s rarely stopped. This uncorked the running game last year. Defensive coordinators schemed for him, the best defenders keyed on him, and then he&#039;d pitch the ball to Rainey, Demps, Harvin or Hernandez for a large gain. Tebow is the reason UF had 3 runners in the top 6 in the country in yards/carry last year.

The problem this year is the depleted receiver corps. Murphy and Harvin are gone. Debose is out for the year. Thompson has a pulled hamstring. Cooper has played with a hyper-extended knee and the flu last week.  Moore is out with a back injury. And the Gator&#039;s only tight end has also been sick. As an example of how this has impacted the game, Gator receivers have already dropped 5 TD passes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one thinks Tebow can do it alone. But in critical situations everyone knows Tebow&#8217;s going to have the ball and he&#8217;s rarely stopped. This uncorked the running game last year. Defensive coordinators schemed for him, the best defenders keyed on him, and then he&#8217;d pitch the ball to Rainey, Demps, Harvin or Hernandez for a large gain. Tebow is the reason UF had 3 runners in the top 6 in the country in yards/carry last year.</p>
<p>The problem this year is the depleted receiver corps. Murphy and Harvin are gone. Debose is out for the year. Thompson has a pulled hamstring. Cooper has played with a hyper-extended knee and the flu last week.  Moore is out with a back injury. And the Gator&#8217;s only tight end has also been sick. As an example of how this has impacted the game, Gator receivers have already dropped 5 TD passes.</p>
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		<title>By: Choco</title>
		<link>http://heismanpundit.com/2009/09/28/the-hp-heisman-watch-8/comment-page-1/#comment-10872</link>
		<dc:creator>Choco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 03:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am telling you man.. when Harvin was playing the Gators were less likely to win.. teams would put defensive pressure on everyone but Harvin.. and they would let him get yards but Harvin would only take what the defense allowed him to take rather than dominating. So Harvin would have big numbers but the Gators would not be getting 3rd down conversions. Tebow took the blame for this too. But the reason they did this is because if they had taken defensive pressure off Tebow he would not let them off the hook like Harvin.. Tebow would dominate. This is why I thought Harvin missing that Alabama game and Meyer not mistakenly letting Harvin try to carry them actually helped the Gators. I believe they would have lost that game if Harvin played.  But I do think Harvin started to see this though because I think Harvin saw how explosive Rainey and Demps were when given opportunities to run and this made Harvin dominate as he should have. 

Also.. Harvin was not used for long routes much and as a deep threat. He was mostly used running short routes and on the option from Tebow. But my point was that Tebow did not have a true runningback.. just these little scatbacks that he made look so good. IF Tebow had a true between the tackles back to run up the middle this would allow Tebow himself to run that finesse role Harvin, Demps and Rainey have to fill because those are the only runners we have. This would allow Tebow to take much less of a pounding AND would free up his receivers.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/64791-for-florida-gators-to-win-out-percy-harvin-not-tim-tebow-must-step-up?search_query=harvin%20step%20up</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am telling you man.. when Harvin was playing the Gators were less likely to win.. teams would put defensive pressure on everyone but Harvin.. and they would let him get yards but Harvin would only take what the defense allowed him to take rather than dominating. So Harvin would have big numbers but the Gators would not be getting 3rd down conversions. Tebow took the blame for this too. But the reason they did this is because if they had taken defensive pressure off Tebow he would not let them off the hook like Harvin.. Tebow would dominate. This is why I thought Harvin missing that Alabama game and Meyer not mistakenly letting Harvin try to carry them actually helped the Gators. I believe they would have lost that game if Harvin played.  But I do think Harvin started to see this though because I think Harvin saw how explosive Rainey and Demps were when given opportunities to run and this made Harvin dominate as he should have. </p>
<p>Also.. Harvin was not used for long routes much and as a deep threat. He was mostly used running short routes and on the option from Tebow. But my point was that Tebow did not have a true runningback.. just these little scatbacks that he made look so good. IF Tebow had a true between the tackles back to run up the middle this would allow Tebow himself to run that finesse role Harvin, Demps and Rainey have to fill because those are the only runners we have. This would allow Tebow to take much less of a pounding AND would free up his receivers.</p>
<p><a href="http://bleacherreport.com/articles/64791-for-florida-gators-to-win-out-percy-harvin-not-tim-tebow-must-step-up?search_query=harvin%20step%20up" rel="nofollow">http://bleacherreport.com/articles/64791-for-florida-gators-to-win-out-percy-harvin-not-tim-tebow-must-step-up?search_query=harvin%20step%20up</a></p>
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		<title>By: Roby</title>
		<link>http://heismanpundit.com/2009/09/28/the-hp-heisman-watch-8/comment-page-1/#comment-10871</link>
		<dc:creator>Roby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 02:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Percy Harvin missed many games and Tebow STILL dominated (check the record)&quot;

What record amd I checking? By &quot;many&quot; games you mean 5 in the last 3 years? That is not &quot;a lot&quot; by my count. That whole injury thing was so overblown, I never understood why draft &quot;experts&quot; pointed to that. Anyway, the only game he missed where the opponent had a legitimate chance of beating the Gators was Alabama last year. Tebow obviously played great in that game, but you are crazy if you think the Gators were better without Percy. On offense is never better off without it&#039;s most versitile and explosive reciever. Ever. 

Rainey and Demps have ran well, that is true, however they have done nothing to improve the passing game the way Percy did. He stretched the field with big plays, and always got open in the middle of the field. If &quot;other players have easily filled Harvin’s role,&quot; than why is Aaron Hernandez the Gators&#039;s lead reciever? Last time I checked, Percy Harvin&#039;s role was not tight end. If the Gators&#039;s recieving is so good even without Percy (and Murphy), than why has Tebow only attempted 68 passes? Answer: Urban doesn&#039;t trust them. Why? Because they are not as good. By season&#039;s end they may improve, but as of right now, they are still lacking.

Choco, it is apparent to everybody that you know a lot less than you think you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Percy Harvin missed many games and Tebow STILL dominated (check the record)&#8221;</p>
<p>What record amd I checking? By &#8220;many&#8221; games you mean 5 in the last 3 years? That is not &#8220;a lot&#8221; by my count. That whole injury thing was so overblown, I never understood why draft &#8220;experts&#8221; pointed to that. Anyway, the only game he missed where the opponent had a legitimate chance of beating the Gators was Alabama last year. Tebow obviously played great in that game, but you are crazy if you think the Gators were better without Percy. On offense is never better off without it&#8217;s most versitile and explosive reciever. Ever. </p>
<p>Rainey and Demps have ran well, that is true, however they have done nothing to improve the passing game the way Percy did. He stretched the field with big plays, and always got open in the middle of the field. If &#8220;other players have easily filled Harvin’s role,&#8221; than why is Aaron Hernandez the Gators&#8217;s lead reciever? Last time I checked, Percy Harvin&#8217;s role was not tight end. If the Gators&#8217;s recieving is so good even without Percy (and Murphy), than why has Tebow only attempted 68 passes? Answer: Urban doesn&#8217;t trust them. Why? Because they are not as good. By season&#8217;s end they may improve, but as of right now, they are still lacking.</p>
<p>Choco, it is apparent to everybody that you know a lot less than you think you know.</p>
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		<title>By: Choco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Choco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Percy Harvin missed many games and Tebow STILL dominated (check the record) most natably the Alabama game.  I actually thought the Gators lost several games relying on Harvin rather than relying on Tebow. Teams would try to take the ball out of Tebow&#039;s hands and dare Harvin to beat them and he failed.  For this reason I believe the Gators were more likely to win when Harvin was not in the lineup, believe it or not. And other players have easily filled Harvin&#039;s role, such as Rainey and Demps. I believe when Harvin saw how well these guys played and how explosive they were it actually made Harvin finally step up... but by then it was really too late. His career was over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Percy Harvin missed many games and Tebow STILL dominated (check the record) most natably the Alabama game.  I actually thought the Gators lost several games relying on Harvin rather than relying on Tebow. Teams would try to take the ball out of Tebow&#8217;s hands and dare Harvin to beat them and he failed.  For this reason I believe the Gators were more likely to win when Harvin was not in the lineup, believe it or not. And other players have easily filled Harvin&#8217;s role, such as Rainey and Demps. I believe when Harvin saw how well these guys played and how explosive they were it actually made Harvin finally step up&#8230; but by then it was really too late. His career was over.</p>
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		<title>By: Roby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys are ridiculous, by the way.

You guys saying Tebow carries the team at all times, have a short memory. Remember a guy named Percy Harvin? He accounted for something like 800 yards recieving and 800 yards rushing. He had like 20 touches per game. The only difference between the offense this year that is a bit sluggish, and last year&#039;s that rolled over everybody by 40ppg is Percy Harvin and Louis Murphy.  

Tebow carries the Gators at crucial moments, but Percy was a big part of the offense in every game last year. And it is even more evident this year now that he is gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are ridiculous, by the way.</p>
<p>You guys saying Tebow carries the team at all times, have a short memory. Remember a guy named Percy Harvin? He accounted for something like 800 yards recieving and 800 yards rushing. He had like 20 touches per game. The only difference between the offense this year that is a bit sluggish, and last year&#8217;s that rolled over everybody by 40ppg is Percy Harvin and Louis Murphy.  </p>
<p>Tebow carries the Gators at crucial moments, but Percy was a big part of the offense in every game last year. And it is even more evident this year now that he is gone.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 23:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Choco,

But of course Alabama gets a pass in the bowl game even though they were terrible. &quot;That’s a joke.. Alabama had nothing to play for at that point..&quot;  So when an SEC team loses a bowl game it&#039;s because they had nothing to play for?  

That&#039;s a joke then to use Ole Miss&#039; bowl win to support your argument.  Texas Tech had nothing to play for after coming up short in the 3-way tie controversy in the Big 12 South.  You are contradicting yourself over and over. Oklahoma State had nothing to play for after late season disappointment.  Texas had nothing to play for but still won a BCS bowl, something Alabama was unable to do.  All you can deduct from the bowl wins is the individual matchups, and that the SEC was 2-0 against the Big 12.  Actually you can really only look at Florida over Oklahoma because TTech had nothing to play for if you want to excuse the over-rated Alabama defense getting crushed by a Mountain West team.

&quot;That’s like winning a race after a marathon the previous day when your opponent had the day off.&quot;  No it&#039;s not.  SEC teams also have 4-5 weeks to prepare for a bowl game, just like every other bowl bound team.  Maybe it&#039;s like winning a race 4 weeks after a marathon.

So the data you are providing is the SEC bowl record from last year, but when an SEC team loses then the data is not relevant.  Very flawed and subjective arguments you are attempting to articulate.

I think Texas would have beat Florida last year.  Actually i have no idea, but there is no data to prove either way. That&#039;s the point, it&#039;s all subjective yet you are making claims as if they are fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Choco,</p>
<p>But of course Alabama gets a pass in the bowl game even though they were terrible. &#8220;That’s a joke.. Alabama had nothing to play for at that point..&#8221;  So when an SEC team loses a bowl game it&#8217;s because they had nothing to play for?  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s a joke then to use Ole Miss&#8217; bowl win to support your argument.  Texas Tech had nothing to play for after coming up short in the 3-way tie controversy in the Big 12 South.  You are contradicting yourself over and over. Oklahoma State had nothing to play for after late season disappointment.  Texas had nothing to play for but still won a BCS bowl, something Alabama was unable to do.  All you can deduct from the bowl wins is the individual matchups, and that the SEC was 2-0 against the Big 12.  Actually you can really only look at Florida over Oklahoma because TTech had nothing to play for if you want to excuse the over-rated Alabama defense getting crushed by a Mountain West team.</p>
<p>&#8220;That’s like winning a race after a marathon the previous day when your opponent had the day off.&#8221;  No it&#8217;s not.  SEC teams also have 4-5 weeks to prepare for a bowl game, just like every other bowl bound team.  Maybe it&#8217;s like winning a race 4 weeks after a marathon.</p>
<p>So the data you are providing is the SEC bowl record from last year, but when an SEC team loses then the data is not relevant.  Very flawed and subjective arguments you are attempting to articulate.</p>
<p>I think Texas would have beat Florida last year.  Actually i have no idea, but there is no data to prove either way. That&#8217;s the point, it&#8217;s all subjective yet you are making claims as if they are fact.</p>
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		<title>By: sandymex</title>
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		<dc:creator>sandymex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your reasoning is flawed, but I appreciate you letting me know. Perhaps if Tebow:
1. had lost a game last week due to poor play, 
2. had succumb to adversity, 
3. had a weaker schedule going forward or 
4. had played in the 4th quarter of blowouts 
you wouldn&#039;t have dropped him from your top three.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your reasoning is flawed, but I appreciate you letting me know. Perhaps if Tebow:<br />
1. had lost a game last week due to poor play,<br />
2. had succumb to adversity,<br />
3. had a weaker schedule going forward or<br />
4. had played in the 4th quarter of blowouts<br />
you wouldn&#8217;t have dropped him from your top three.</p>
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		<title>By: HP</title>
		<link>http://heismanpundit.com/2009/09/28/the-hp-heisman-watch-8/comment-page-1/#comment-10843</link>
		<dc:creator>HP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 05:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandymex, I put Harris up because even though he lost, I realized that he still had a schedule that was quite conducive to a legit Heisman run and I like his odds of winning out the rest of the year compared to the others.  I dropped Tebow (relative to the others) because it appears he might miss a game or be limited or not put up the numbers he needs.  I kept Best at third because if he does well and beats USC this week, he&#039;s instantly revived.  In the end, McCoy still projects the best over the course of the season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandymex, I put Harris up because even though he lost, I realized that he still had a schedule that was quite conducive to a legit Heisman run and I like his odds of winning out the rest of the year compared to the others.  I dropped Tebow (relative to the others) because it appears he might miss a game or be limited or not put up the numbers he needs.  I kept Best at third because if he does well and beats USC this week, he&#8217;s instantly revived.  In the end, McCoy still projects the best over the course of the season.</p>
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		<title>By: Choco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Choco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 05:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes it is.. because of inter-conference play. Look at the bowl game results. SEC dominated. Even going through far tougher defenses all season.  Those are emphatic results. That&#039;s like winning a race after a marathon the previous day when your opponent had the day off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes it is.. because of inter-conference play. Look at the bowl game results. SEC dominated. Even going through far tougher defenses all season.  Those are emphatic results. That&#8217;s like winning a race after a marathon the previous day when your opponent had the day off.</p>
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