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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://heismanpundit.com/2009/11/16/the-hp-heisman-watch-15/comment-page-1/#comment-11873</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s over everyone - Colt McCoy won it on national TV last night.  With McCoy nailing down the most wins by ANY starting quarterback EVER, not to mention being the undisputed character leader of an undefeated team and having incredible stats, it&#039;s really impossible to NOT vote for him.  Toby Gerhart? Give me a break.  Mark Ingraham? He&#039;s having a good year, so what? Tim Tebow - well just compare the stats.

Anyone who doesn&#039;t vote for McCoy will carry around the guilt that they didn&#039;t vote for the best quarterback in college football history, who will probably follow Roger Staubach into the NFL Hall of Fame.  The voters know this, they just need some time to admit it to themselves.  Once everyone gets past all this micro/nano analysis and see the big picture, The Heisman will have have Horns on it this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s over everyone &#8211; Colt McCoy won it on national TV last night.  With McCoy nailing down the most wins by ANY starting quarterback EVER, not to mention being the undisputed character leader of an undefeated team and having incredible stats, it&#8217;s really impossible to NOT vote for him.  Toby Gerhart? Give me a break.  Mark Ingraham? He&#8217;s having a good year, so what? Tim Tebow &#8211; well just compare the stats.</p>
<p>Anyone who doesn&#8217;t vote for McCoy will carry around the guilt that they didn&#8217;t vote for the best quarterback in college football history, who will probably follow Roger Staubach into the NFL Hall of Fame.  The voters know this, they just need some time to admit it to themselves.  Once everyone gets past all this micro/nano analysis and see the big picture, The Heisman will have have Horns on it this year.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu</title>
		<link>http://heismanpundit.com/2009/11/16/the-hp-heisman-watch-15/comment-page-1/#comment-11861</link>
		<dc:creator>Stu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SPILLER HAS ACCOMPLISHED MORE THAN ANY OTHER PLAYER IN THE NATION. PERIOD
TEBOW &amp; McCOY...THEIR O-LINE AND WR&#039;S..WITH OUT THEM..THEY HAVE NOTHING. INGRAM, GREAT PLAYER..BUT STILL HAS NOTHING ON SPILLER. N E BODY WHO CAN&#039;T SEE THAT..TAKE YOUR BLINDERS OFF MAN!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SPILLER HAS ACCOMPLISHED MORE THAN ANY OTHER PLAYER IN THE NATION. PERIOD<br />
TEBOW &amp; McCOY&#8230;THEIR O-LINE AND WR&#8217;S..WITH OUT THEM..THEY HAVE NOTHING. INGRAM, GREAT PLAYER..BUT STILL HAS NOTHING ON SPILLER. N E BODY WHO CAN&#8217;T SEE THAT..TAKE YOUR BLINDERS OFF MAN!</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy C Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy C Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spiller is the best overall player and deserves to be one of the top five for consideration. He&#039;s something very special and can run like the wind. But as a Clemson graduate, I just might be a bit blinded by the Orange.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spiller is the best overall player and deserves to be one of the top five for consideration. He&#8217;s something very special and can run like the wind. But as a Clemson graduate, I just might be a bit blinded by the Orange.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://heismanpundit.com/2009/11/16/the-hp-heisman-watch-15/comment-page-1/#comment-11843</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whatever...i think we can all agree that Tebow is not the most outstanding player in college football this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whatever&#8230;i think we can all agree that Tebow is not the most outstanding player in college football this year.</p>
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		<title>By: sandymex</title>
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		<dc:creator>sandymex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First you limited yourself to NFL qbs who rarely run and spend their careers on one team (except for Johnson who never started a whole season for anybody). Let&#039;s consider Kurt Warner, who went from 7.5 passes/sack in 04 to 16.3 passes/sack in 05. You&#039;d say the majority of the change was due to Kurt Warner, while I&#039;d say the change in OL had the biggest effect. But it&#039;s silly to use an NFL model of behavior for college, especially for a dual-threat qb. 

Further if you&#039;re an NFL team with an OL problem you patch it with a free agent, a scout player or even a retired player. The best you can do if you&#039;re a college team is get a true freshman to play, play your starters in different positions, or get a defensive lineman to switch to offense. Florida has been forced to do all three of these things.

Another measure OL strength is plays per TFL (tackles for loss). From best to worst:
Houston – 25.8 plays/TFL
Stanford – 20.8
Alabama – 15.3
Boise St – 14.5
Texas – 12.3
Clemson – 11.8
Florida – 11.3 

This again shows that Tebow, Spiller and McCoy have played behind struggling offensive lines. Against Oregon, Boise State gave up a large number of TFLs, which explains their lower position. But this is consistent with Boise State having one of the best lines relative to the teams they normally face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First you limited yourself to NFL qbs who rarely run and spend their careers on one team (except for Johnson who never started a whole season for anybody). Let&#8217;s consider Kurt Warner, who went from 7.5 passes/sack in 04 to 16.3 passes/sack in 05. You&#8217;d say the majority of the change was due to Kurt Warner, while I&#8217;d say the change in OL had the biggest effect. But it&#8217;s silly to use an NFL model of behavior for college, especially for a dual-threat qb. </p>
<p>Further if you&#8217;re an NFL team with an OL problem you patch it with a free agent, a scout player or even a retired player. The best you can do if you&#8217;re a college team is get a true freshman to play, play your starters in different positions, or get a defensive lineman to switch to offense. Florida has been forced to do all three of these things.</p>
<p>Another measure OL strength is plays per TFL (tackles for loss). From best to worst:<br />
Houston – 25.8 plays/TFL<br />
Stanford – 20.8<br />
Alabama – 15.3<br />
Boise St – 14.5<br />
Texas – 12.3<br />
Clemson – 11.8<br />
Florida – 11.3 </p>
<p>This again shows that Tebow, Spiller and McCoy have played behind struggling offensive lines. Against Oregon, Boise State gave up a large number of TFLs, which explains their lower position. But this is consistent with Boise State having one of the best lines relative to the teams they normally face.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandymex,

I agree that some of the skills possessed by good pass blockers overlaps with those of good rush blockers. But I will stand by my point that 50% of sacks are the fault of the QB, no matter who is guarding him. Some guys are sack takers, and some guys are sack avoiders. Plain and simple.

Case in point.

Marino- routinely one of the least sacked QBs despite attempting more passes than 90% of QBs. 

Manning- sacked only 8 times this season with 357 pass attempts. He plays behind an offensive line that is terrible by your logic. They are ranked 29th in rushing. Averaging 3.9 yards per carry.

Rob Johnson- Sacked 140 times with 804 career pass attempts. Thats a sack for like every 6 dropbacks. Just terrible. In his 4 years that he played in Buffalo (where he played 80% of his career snaps), the Bills were in the upper half of rushing offenses 3 times. In the top 10 twice. A solid offensive line by my estimation. 

Elway- Been sacked more times than any other QB ever. Toward the end of his career he played with an O-line that churned out 1,000 runners almost without trying. Even then, his sack numbers didn&#039;t significantly decrease.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandymex,</p>
<p>I agree that some of the skills possessed by good pass blockers overlaps with those of good rush blockers. But I will stand by my point that 50% of sacks are the fault of the QB, no matter who is guarding him. Some guys are sack takers, and some guys are sack avoiders. Plain and simple.</p>
<p>Case in point.</p>
<p>Marino- routinely one of the least sacked QBs despite attempting more passes than 90% of QBs. </p>
<p>Manning- sacked only 8 times this season with 357 pass attempts. He plays behind an offensive line that is terrible by your logic. They are ranked 29th in rushing. Averaging 3.9 yards per carry.</p>
<p>Rob Johnson- Sacked 140 times with 804 career pass attempts. Thats a sack for like every 6 dropbacks. Just terrible. In his 4 years that he played in Buffalo (where he played 80% of his career snaps), the Bills were in the upper half of rushing offenses 3 times. In the top 10 twice. A solid offensive line by my estimation. </p>
<p>Elway- Been sacked more times than any other QB ever. Toward the end of his career he played with an O-line that churned out 1,000 runners almost without trying. Even then, his sack numbers didn&#8217;t significantly decrease.</p>
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		<title>By: sandymex</title>
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		<dc:creator>sandymex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roby -

Sacks/pass is just another data point, but I think it&#039;s meaningful when trying to evaluate offensive lines. Pass blocking and run blocking are different, but it&#039;s rare that you have an OL that&#039;s good at pass blocking and poor at run blocking. You brought up the Dolphins as a possible example, but their offense was geared toward the pass. It&#039;s a big leap to say that the lack of a big rusher was due to poor run blocking. It&#039;s an even bigger leap to say more than 50% of sacks for any qb are the qb&#039;s fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roby -</p>
<p>Sacks/pass is just another data point, but I think it&#8217;s meaningful when trying to evaluate offensive lines. Pass blocking and run blocking are different, but it&#8217;s rare that you have an OL that&#8217;s good at pass blocking and poor at run blocking. You brought up the Dolphins as a possible example, but their offense was geared toward the pass. It&#8217;s a big leap to say that the lack of a big rusher was due to poor run blocking. It&#8217;s an even bigger leap to say more than 50% of sacks for any qb are the qb&#8217;s fault.</p>
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		<title>By: Roby13</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roby13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I forgot to put their raw TD-INT stats. Sorry.

Moore- 32-3
Keenum- 31-6</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I forgot to put their raw TD-INT stats. Sorry.</p>
<p>Moore- 32-3<br />
Keenum- 31-6</p>
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		<title>By: Roby13</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roby13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amy,

I like how you said: &quot;Moore leads the nation in passing efficiency. That’s all.&quot; Good job discounting the statistic that is designed to encompass all the quarterbacks major stats. It is pretty telling. More telling about how well a QB is performing than his raw yardage. By the way, Moore&#039;s rating is nearly 20 points higher than Keenum&#039;s. 

Here is a fact check:

Moore- 203/300  67% 
Keenum- 358/514  69% 

Moore- YDS/COMP  12.5 
Keenum- YDS/COMP  11.7

Moore- YDS/ATT   8.5
Keenum- YDS/ATT   8.1

Moore- Throws a TD on 10.6% of his attempts.
Keenum- Throws a TD on 6% of his attempts.

Moore- 10.6/1  TD/INT ratio
Keenum-  5.1/1 TD/INT ratio 
both ridiculously good BTW)

Moore- 91 strength of schedule rank (Sagarin)
Keenum- 93 strength of schedule rank (Sagarin)

Boise State- 10-0 
Houston - 8-2

If you wanted stats, there you go.



NOBODY for Heisman!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amy,</p>
<p>I like how you said: &#8220;Moore leads the nation in passing efficiency. That’s all.&#8221; Good job discounting the statistic that is designed to encompass all the quarterbacks major stats. It is pretty telling. More telling about how well a QB is performing than his raw yardage. By the way, Moore&#8217;s rating is nearly 20 points higher than Keenum&#8217;s. </p>
<p>Here is a fact check:</p>
<p>Moore- 203/300  67%<br />
Keenum- 358/514  69% </p>
<p>Moore- YDS/COMP  12.5<br />
Keenum- YDS/COMP  11.7</p>
<p>Moore- YDS/ATT   8.5<br />
Keenum- YDS/ATT   8.1</p>
<p>Moore- Throws a TD on 10.6% of his attempts.<br />
Keenum- Throws a TD on 6% of his attempts.</p>
<p>Moore- 10.6/1  TD/INT ratio<br />
Keenum-  5.1/1 TD/INT ratio<br />
both ridiculously good BTW)</p>
<p>Moore- 91 strength of schedule rank (Sagarin)<br />
Keenum- 93 strength of schedule rank (Sagarin)</p>
<p>Boise State- 10-0<br />
Houston &#8211; 8-2</p>
<p>If you wanted stats, there you go.</p>
<p>NOBODY for Heisman!</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 06:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HeismanPundit --

Thought you would like to have the link of the University of Houston&#039;s Case Keenum for Heisman page.

http://www.uhcougars.com/casekeenum/

Thanks for all your hard work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HeismanPundit &#8211;</p>
<p>Thought you would like to have the link of the University of Houston&#8217;s Case Keenum for Heisman page.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.uhcougars.com/casekeenum/" rel="nofollow">http://www.uhcougars.com/casekeenum/</a></p>
<p>Thanks for all your hard work.</p>
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