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The Pac-10 has almost single-handedly kept the 2009 college football season from being a complete dud. Just look at tonight’s game between Arizona and Oregon, which was as entertaining a game as you will see.
While other leagues were still playing out-of-conference doormats in week eleven, the Pac-10 was laying it all out on the line.
We all owe the nation’s best league a big thank you.
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I guess you were too busy adoring the PAC 10 to watch LSU vs Ole Miss or UGA vs KY. Those were pretty exciting finishes. You must still be mad about the new survey that ESPN put out (or was it CNNSI) in which CFB nation overwhelming prefers SEC football and ranks it as the best conference (PAC 10 was #3 behind SEC and BIG 12). I’ll bet you don’t have the honesty to give kudos to SEC teams UF and UGA next week for their perennial OOC season ending games with FSU and GT (those two ACC programs have one as many National Championships as has the entire PAC 10 in the last 20 years (USCe also plays Clemson every year to end the season). Alas, your PAC 10 shameless bias is irrepressible.
Honestly HP, there are two reasons the PAC 10 has very high scoring, and yes, entertaining games in conference: 1) they have weak defenses, 2) they have some good offensive teams. What happens win your exciting PAC 10 teams play out of conference? Those offenses all the sudden dry up. BE HONEST HP!! You won’t be, because you’re not a commentator about college football…you’re an advocate of all things PAC 10. This site should be called the PAC-10 Pundit. If you were honest, you would rename it. You lack any pretense of objective reporting. I’ll say it again, you lack any pretense of objective reporting. Its totally fine to advocate your conference, but don’t do it under the guise of objective football reporting. I can’t think of another CFB reporter/writer/commentator who is as consistently biased as you. You remind me of the extreme degree to which MSNBCs Keith Olberman and Chris Matthews fawned over Obama – it was servile and made a mockery of objective journalism (and I voted for Obama).
For all you PAC 10 supporters (including HP), I’m not saying the PAC 10 is a bad conference, they’re actually quite good and entertaining (but primarily only in intra-conference games) – as an SEC fan I can be honest and admit that. What I’m saying is that HP is a poor excuse for an OBJECTIVE football commentator.
The truth hurts – the PAC 10 champion will either be:
Oregon with a 2-1 OOC record. One of those wins was by 2 points over 5-7 and not bowl eligible Purdue at home. Out of their 5 closest wins/losses 3 are to OOC teams.
or
Oregon State with a loss to Cincinnati at home and a 2 point win over mighty power house UNLV, who is 4-7 and won’t play in a bowl game!!
Stanford who was the new “it” team in the PAC 10 until tonight has a loss to what power house program? You guessed it…Wake Forest, who is 4-7 and not going to be bowl eligible. In that amazing and exciting game tonight Stanford’s quarterback completed 1/3 of his passes and Cals QB completed 17/31. Wow that’s some high quality QB play! Yes they have good RBs, who have the ability to go wild against mediocre slow defenses.
The PAC 10 plays Notre Dame 4 times. Way to pad that OOC BCS schedule with the most overrated football team in America. Notre Dame in the last 14 years is 1-9 in bowl games.
The most memorable moment of the PAC 10 season is the punch after Oregon’s OOC loss to Boise State (Tulsa played BSU to a tighter score than Oregon). The second most memorable moment of the PAC 10 season is USC and Stanford coaches barking at each other after the game.
Well HP, I’m sure none of this will dent your shamelessly biased CFB reporting (read Op Ed pieces). This could be a really good sight…but, for that to happen, you have to be honest or at least attempt to be a little more honest.
I am officially unsubscribing from your garbage, HP.
“While other leagues were still playing out-of-conference doormats in week eleven, the Pac-10 was laying it all out on the line.
We all owe the nation’s best league a big thank you.”
Really?? This is your take?
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Guys, the Oregon – Arizona game actually meant something. UGA and Kentucky are not relevant nationally, and Ole Miss and LSU certainly weren’t playing for a BCS bowl. New Mexico beat CSU with a last second field goal, but no one cares about that, because they games are meaningless.
Wasn’t the Pac 10 undefeated in Bowls last year? Doesn’t sound like offenses drying up to me.
I’m not a Pac 10 guy, btw. You SEC homers just need to open your eyes a little bit.
HP is right. LSU vs Ole Miss? Meaningless game featuring two incompetent coaches. Exciting if you like watching stupidity (spiking the ball with one second left – now that’s SEC football). Of course, LSU is one of the rare SEC teams that plays out of conference games against BCS teams – almost gave Washington their first victory in 12 games and puts LSU par with the Pac 10 mud dwellers. Meanwhile Florida continues to pad Tebow’s statistics by playing FIU – well, I guess it is better than playing southern Charleston. Even Michigan/OSU was pointless. Big 12 and Mountain West are one team conferences this year.
The Pac-10 has not only been the deepest conference this year, it has been the most entertaining.
The Big 12 and Big Ten have been lackluster. The SEC outside the top two has been disappointing. The ACC is deep but sleep-inducing.
This shouldn’t be a controversial subject.
PAC 10 in 2008 was 2-6 vs the MWC. The PAC 10 only had 5 teams in the bowl season last year. The SEC had 8.
PAC 10 offenses drying up in 2009: Stanford at Wake Forest, USC vs OSU, Oregon vs Boise State, Oregon State vs Cincinnati and Arizona vs. Iowa. YES, in fact the PAC 10s explosive offenses this year…have been down right pedestrian OOC.
How can you say the PAC 10 has been the deepest conference when they have a worse record than the SEC OOC BCS this year?
In terms of us being SEC homers, remember who started all of this with regular triumphant rants about the greatness of the their conference. I’ll give you a hint…it’s not an SEC homer, it’s a PAC 10 homer = HP.
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HP, how I have missed your lunatic ramblings.
Thank you, Pac 10, for saving college football. That game last night was so great…until I realized those two teams were playing for a shot to go up against Ohio State. And that they had lost to Boise and Iowa and not been part of the MNC discussion since September. And that Zona probably wouldn’t win the Pac 10 even if they had won the game.
To their credit, though, it was the first high-profile game in the Pac 10 this year (after Cal-Oregon, Cal-USC, and Oregon-USC) that was actually worth a shit.
Also, I guess the argument over the best conference is not a controversial subject, so long as you simply proclaim it by fiat. Unfortunately, the facts tell a different story:
MOV in conference games:
SEC 607/44 (13.80)
Pac 10 660/40 (16.50)
Games decided by 1 score:
SEC 14/44 (32%)
Pac 10 14/40 (35%)
But don’t let the facts get in the way of your preconceived narrative, my friend.
Also, I was wondering if, as alluded to above, you saw the CNNSI poll of college football fans. Fans of every conference (except the SEC, since you couldn’t vote for your own conference) agreed that the SEC plays the best football. Sure, no doubt you’ll attribute that to media bias, since the media babbles all the time about how great the SEC is.
But, perhaps more importantly, outside of fans of the WAC, fans of all other conferences also agreed that THE SEC PLAYS THE MOST ENTERTAINING FOOTBALL. I’m not sure what you’ll have to say about why they seem to think that when it’s so obviously not true, but I’m sure it will be something incoherent.
LOL at this stat. As ofr last week, the entire 12 team sec has exactly 3 wins vs ranked teams. In conference plus out of conference.
Other entities who have 3 wins vs ranked teams:
Iowa
USC
TCU
Oregon
Ohio St
Each year when the ACC has a bunch of 3, 4, and 5 loss teams with no national title contender the conference is called mediocre. But when the PAC-10 does this it’s called deep and exciting??? What a joke. This is where I check out.
Too bad the PAC-10 won’t be playing for the BCS championship (again).
Perry–let me make it simple for you.
Whatever the Pac 10 does, it is best.
If Pac 10 teams are scoring a lot of points, that is good football–and those defenses are good, they’re just overwhelmed by those amazing offenses. Also, teams not scoring points are boring, and they’re not playing good defense, the offenses they are up against are just bad.
If USC wins the league 7 years running, it is still nonetheless competitive because the shit teams at the bottom rotate going 6-3 for second place in the conference.
Bowl performance is irrelevant…until the Pac 10 goes 5-0 one year, in which case it is all-important.
And now that the Pac-10 is pretty mediocre at the top, what truly matters is a conference’s ‘depth’–nevermind the fact that the ACC wasn’t praised on here for having 10 bowl teams last year, and the SEC for whatever reason somehow isn’t as deep as the Pac 10 despite having 10 bowl-eligible teams this year, and 11 of the Top 51 teams in the Sagarin ratings (to the Pac 10′s 7).
The Sagarin Ratings, for the record, also don’t matter unless the Pac 10 ranks well in a particular week.
Never mind Solon, he just has his panties in a bunch because the SEC has been so crappy this year (along with his team).
Not to mention, if he had been reading me the last two years, he would see that I had the SEC as the best conference up until this particular season.
As for Sagarin, once again the Pac-10 leads this week (as it has most of the year) despite playing tougher schedules. And never mind that six of the top 22 in the Sagarin rankings are from the Pac-10 (the SEC has 4). You see, we can choose whatever cutoff point we like (Solon prefers 51).
This doesn’t even cover the other point of the post, which is that the Pac-10 has been more entertaining and watchable than any other conference.
Oh, let’s not forget one more thing:
The following SEC teams would not be bowl eligible if not for wins over FCS teams (key win in parantheses):
Georgia (Tennessee Tech)
South Carolina (South Carolina State)
Tennessee (Western Kentucky)
I’m sorry, why are people posting stats of how teams from the conference have done OOC when the whole point of this post is that the SEC plays, for the most part, a horrible OOC schedule? Florida has played one good team the entire season, either in conference or out of conference.
Also, if you want to talk about margins of victory, talk about Bama vs Tennessee or Florida vs Arkansas (game handed to them) or Mississippi State (game also handed to them).
HP–perhaps if you understood how Sagarin does his ratings, you’d understand that the reason the Pac 10 is ranked higher is because their 5th/6th place teams are ranked higher than the 6th/7th place teams. In terms of simple average, there’s really no contest between the two–the SEC is rated much higher.
And, yeah, HP, I missed the point of the post if you ignore what I said–which is that SEC games have been closer this season than Pac 10 games, and roughly the same number of conference games have been competitive (and, truth be told, one of the other conferences may even score better on both counts).
So, given that, why is the Pac 10 more watchable and entertaining this season? Is it because they finally had a high-profile game that was entertaining? Good for them. Too bad the game was, in terms of the national champion, meaningless.
And before you get a little too excited about your great, groundbreaking find (“Bogus Bowl Teams!”), each of those SEC teams still has another game to go on its schedule. (And, at least in the case of Georgia, if only we’d have just scheduled another Pac 10 team in lieu of a 1-AA opponent we’d easily be bowl eligible regardless.)
And need I point out that none of those teams are contending for the conference title? Too bad you can’t say that about 5-wins-against-BCS-teams Arizona.
Hey, if you want to get excited about a conference that has gone 7-7 against BCS opponents and unhesitatingly proclaim it the best in the land, that’s your right. But your claiming the Pac 10 is the best conference every time it cobbles together a halfway decent season isn’t exactly hard-hitting–it’s sadly all too predictable.
Many of you remember HP demanding magazine covers for the Pac 10 when they ranked higher than the SEC in 3 of the 6 computer systems. Setting aside the fact that the SEC was ranked higher in the other half, why has HP stopped bragging about such rankings?
Because as more games have been played the Pac 10′s position has dropped.
Billingsley: 1) SEC, 2) Big East, 3) Pac10
Colley: 1) SEC, 2) Big East, 3) Pac10
Wolfe: 1) Big East, 2) SEC, 3) Pac10
Massey: 1) SEC. 2) Pac10, 3) Big East
Anderson & Hester: 1) Pac10, 2) SEC, 3) Big East
Sagarin: 1) Pac10, 2) SEC, 3) ACC
Even Sagarin and Anderson & Hester recognize that the SEC is considerably stronger based on simple averages. It’s only when you use a method that penalizes conferences for having undefeated teams that the Pac 10 barely edges out the SEC in 2 of the 6 systems.
The Pac 10 is a good conference, but it’s difficult to respect them when they adamantly oppose any type of playoff, oppose expansion, and don’t play a conference championship game. My guess is that HP won’t give the SEC it’s due for staging a conference championship game, even though the national championship game might otherwise be between two SEC teams.
HP – you’re being completely disingenuous about the Sagarin ratings If you take the simple average the SEC is in the lead right now. Why didn’t you report that?
How many national championships has the PAC 10 won in the last 20 years? 3. How many has the SEC won in the last 3 years? 3!
Washingon st.. 1-10.. only win against SMU, lost to Hawaii and Notre Dame in non confe games
Ariz State 4-7 .. lost to Georgia
Washing 3-7.. lost to LSU and Notre Dame
Your top Team (Oregon) lost to Boise State.. maybe WAC is better
OSU lost to Cincy
Stanford lost to Wake Forest
Arizona lost to Iowa
I’ve posted this for the third time now. Respond HP. I’m a big 10 homer. I can admit my conference is down. Do us all a favor. Report on the facts and stay unbiased. I’ve respected your posts since 05, but come on. Why don’t you just admit this is a down year for every conference, yes even the sec. I really don’t see a standout team, or player, let alone conference.
I’m done with the conference debate because you’re all too stubborn to look at things different. However, for the 12th time I’d like to point out (specifically to PAC 10 Homer Site) that having the national champion doesn’t make your conference the best and you don’t have to have the national champion to have the best conference.