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	<title>Comments on: Where Would We Be Without the Pac-10?</title>
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		<title>By: slippy</title>
		<link>http://heismanpundit.com/2009/11/21/where-would-we-be-without-the-pac-10/comment-page-1/#comment-11949</link>
		<dc:creator>slippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m done with the conference debate because you&#039;re all too stubborn to look at things different.  However, for the 12th time I&#039;d like to point out (specifically to PAC 10 Homer Site) that having the national champion doesn&#039;t make your conference the best and you don&#039;t have to have the national champion to have the best conference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m done with the conference debate because you&#8217;re all too stubborn to look at things different.  However, for the 12th time I&#8217;d like to point out (specifically to PAC 10 Homer Site) that having the national champion doesn&#8217;t make your conference the best and you don&#8217;t have to have the national champion to have the best conference.</p>
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		<title>By: Bucknut</title>
		<link>http://heismanpundit.com/2009/11/21/where-would-we-be-without-the-pac-10/comment-page-1/#comment-11923</link>
		<dc:creator>Bucknut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Washingon st.. 1-10.. only win against SMU, lost to Hawaii and Notre Dame in non confe games

Ariz State 4-7 .. lost to Georgia

Washing 3-7.. lost to LSU and Notre Dame

Your top Team (Oregon) lost to Boise State.. maybe WAC is better

OSU lost to Cincy

Stanford lost to Wake Forest

Arizona lost to Iowa
I&#039;ve posted this for the third time now. Respond HP. I&#039;m a big 10 homer. I can admit my conference is down. Do us all a favor. Report on the facts and stay unbiased. I&#039;ve respected your posts since 05, but come on. Why don&#039;t you just admit this is a down year for every conference, yes even the sec. I really don&#039;t see a standout team, or player, let alone conference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Washingon st.. 1-10.. only win against SMU, lost to Hawaii and Notre Dame in non confe games</p>
<p>Ariz State 4-7 .. lost to Georgia</p>
<p>Washing 3-7.. lost to LSU and Notre Dame</p>
<p>Your top Team (Oregon) lost to Boise State.. maybe WAC is better</p>
<p>OSU lost to Cincy</p>
<p>Stanford lost to Wake Forest</p>
<p>Arizona lost to Iowa<br />
I&#8217;ve posted this for the third time now. Respond HP. I&#8217;m a big 10 homer. I can admit my conference is down. Do us all a favor. Report on the facts and stay unbiased. I&#8217;ve respected your posts since 05, but come on. Why don&#8217;t you just admit this is a down year for every conference, yes even the sec. I really don&#8217;t see a standout team, or player, let alone conference.</p>
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		<title>By: PAC 10 Homer Site</title>
		<link>http://heismanpundit.com/2009/11/21/where-would-we-be-without-the-pac-10/comment-page-1/#comment-11912</link>
		<dc:creator>PAC 10 Homer Site</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many national championships has the PAC 10 won in the last 20 years? 3.  How many has the SEC won in the last 3 years?  3!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many national championships has the PAC 10 won in the last 20 years? 3.  How many has the SEC won in the last 3 years?  3!</p>
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		<title>By: Truth</title>
		<link>http://heismanpundit.com/2009/11/21/where-would-we-be-without-the-pac-10/comment-page-1/#comment-11911</link>
		<dc:creator>Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HP - you&#039;re being completely disingenuous about the Sagarin ratings  If you take the simple average the SEC is in the lead right now.  Why didn&#039;t you report that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HP &#8211; you&#8217;re being completely disingenuous about the Sagarin ratings  If you take the simple average the SEC is in the lead right now.  Why didn&#8217;t you report that?</p>
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		<title>By: sandymex</title>
		<link>http://heismanpundit.com/2009/11/21/where-would-we-be-without-the-pac-10/comment-page-1/#comment-11909</link>
		<dc:creator>sandymex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many of you remember HP demanding magazine covers for the Pac 10 when they ranked higher than the SEC in 3 of the 6 computer systems. Setting aside the fact that the SEC was ranked higher in the other half, why has HP stopped bragging about such rankings?

Because as more games have been played the Pac 10&#039;s position has dropped.
Billingsley: 1) SEC, 2) Big East, 3) Pac10
Colley: 1) SEC, 2) Big East, 3) Pac10
Wolfe: 1) Big East, 2) SEC, 3) Pac10
Massey: 1) SEC. 2) Pac10, 3) Big East
Anderson &amp; Hester: 1) Pac10, 2) SEC, 3) Big East
Sagarin: 1) Pac10, 2) SEC, 3) ACC

Even Sagarin and Anderson &amp; Hester recognize that the SEC is considerably stronger based on simple averages. It&#039;s only when you use a method that penalizes conferences for having undefeated teams that the Pac 10 barely edges out the SEC in 2 of the 6 systems.

The Pac 10 is a good conference, but it&#039;s difficult to respect them when they adamantly oppose any type of playoff, oppose expansion, and don&#039;t play a conference championship game. My guess is that HP won&#039;t give the SEC it&#039;s due for staging a conference championship game, even though the national championship game might otherwise be between two SEC teams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of you remember HP demanding magazine covers for the Pac 10 when they ranked higher than the SEC in 3 of the 6 computer systems. Setting aside the fact that the SEC was ranked higher in the other half, why has HP stopped bragging about such rankings?</p>
<p>Because as more games have been played the Pac 10&#8242;s position has dropped.<br />
Billingsley: 1) SEC, 2) Big East, 3) Pac10<br />
Colley: 1) SEC, 2) Big East, 3) Pac10<br />
Wolfe: 1) Big East, 2) SEC, 3) Pac10<br />
Massey: 1) SEC. 2) Pac10, 3) Big East<br />
Anderson &amp; Hester: 1) Pac10, 2) SEC, 3) Big East<br />
Sagarin: 1) Pac10, 2) SEC, 3) ACC</p>
<p>Even Sagarin and Anderson &amp; Hester recognize that the SEC is considerably stronger based on simple averages. It&#8217;s only when you use a method that penalizes conferences for having undefeated teams that the Pac 10 barely edges out the SEC in 2 of the 6 systems.</p>
<p>The Pac 10 is a good conference, but it&#8217;s difficult to respect them when they adamantly oppose any type of playoff, oppose expansion, and don&#8217;t play a conference championship game. My guess is that HP won&#8217;t give the SEC it&#8217;s due for staging a conference championship game, even though the national championship game might otherwise be between two SEC teams.</p>
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		<title>By: Solon</title>
		<link>http://heismanpundit.com/2009/11/21/where-would-we-be-without-the-pac-10/comment-page-1/#comment-11907</link>
		<dc:creator>Solon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HP--perhaps if you understood how Sagarin does his ratings, you&#039;d understand that the reason the Pac 10 is ranked higher is because their 5th/6th place teams are ranked higher than the 6th/7th place teams.  In terms of simple average, there&#039;s really no contest between the two--the SEC is rated much higher.  

And, yeah, HP, I missed the point of the post if you ignore what I said--which is that SEC games have been closer this season than Pac 10 games, and roughly the same number of conference games have been competitive (and, truth be told, one of the other conferences may even score better on both counts).  

So, given that, why is the Pac 10 more watchable and entertaining this season?  Is it because they finally had a high-profile game that was entertaining?  Good for them.  Too bad the game was, in terms of the national champion, meaningless.  

And before you get a little too excited about your great, groundbreaking find (&quot;Bogus Bowl Teams!&quot;), each of those SEC teams still has another game to go on its schedule.  (And, at least in the case of Georgia, if only we&#039;d have just scheduled another Pac 10 team in lieu of a 1-AA opponent we&#039;d easily be bowl eligible regardless.)

And need I point out that none of those teams are contending for the conference title?  Too bad you can&#039;t say that about 5-wins-against-BCS-teams Arizona.  

Hey, if you want to get excited about a conference that has gone 7-7 against BCS opponents and unhesitatingly proclaim it the best in the land, that&#039;s your right.  But your claiming the Pac 10 is the best conference every time it cobbles together a halfway decent season isn&#039;t exactly hard-hitting--it&#039;s sadly all too predictable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HP&#8211;perhaps if you understood how Sagarin does his ratings, you&#8217;d understand that the reason the Pac 10 is ranked higher is because their 5th/6th place teams are ranked higher than the 6th/7th place teams.  In terms of simple average, there&#8217;s really no contest between the two&#8211;the SEC is rated much higher.  </p>
<p>And, yeah, HP, I missed the point of the post if you ignore what I said&#8211;which is that SEC games have been closer this season than Pac 10 games, and roughly the same number of conference games have been competitive (and, truth be told, one of the other conferences may even score better on both counts).  </p>
<p>So, given that, why is the Pac 10 more watchable and entertaining this season?  Is it because they finally had a high-profile game that was entertaining?  Good for them.  Too bad the game was, in terms of the national champion, meaningless.  </p>
<p>And before you get a little too excited about your great, groundbreaking find (&#8220;Bogus Bowl Teams!&#8221;), each of those SEC teams still has another game to go on its schedule.  (And, at least in the case of Georgia, if only we&#8217;d have just scheduled another Pac 10 team in lieu of a 1-AA opponent we&#8217;d easily be bowl eligible regardless.)</p>
<p>And need I point out that none of those teams are contending for the conference title?  Too bad you can&#8217;t say that about 5-wins-against-BCS-teams Arizona.  </p>
<p>Hey, if you want to get excited about a conference that has gone 7-7 against BCS opponents and unhesitatingly proclaim it the best in the land, that&#8217;s your right.  But your claiming the Pac 10 is the best conference every time it cobbles together a halfway decent season isn&#8217;t exactly hard-hitting&#8211;it&#8217;s sadly all too predictable.</p>
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		<title>By: Rishi</title>
		<link>http://heismanpundit.com/2009/11/21/where-would-we-be-without-the-pac-10/comment-page-1/#comment-11903</link>
		<dc:creator>Rishi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 04:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, why are people posting stats of how teams from the conference have done OOC when the whole point of this post is that the SEC plays, for the most part, a horrible OOC schedule? Florida has played one good team the entire season, either in conference or out of conference.

Also, if you want to talk about margins of victory, talk about Bama vs Tennessee or Florida vs Arkansas (game handed to them) or Mississippi State (game also handed to them).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, why are people posting stats of how teams from the conference have done OOC when the whole point of this post is that the SEC plays, for the most part, a horrible OOC schedule? Florida has played one good team the entire season, either in conference or out of conference.</p>
<p>Also, if you want to talk about margins of victory, talk about Bama vs Tennessee or Florida vs Arkansas (game handed to them) or Mississippi State (game also handed to them).</p>
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		<title>By: Heismanpundit</title>
		<link>http://heismanpundit.com/2009/11/21/where-would-we-be-without-the-pac-10/comment-page-1/#comment-11900</link>
		<dc:creator>Heismanpundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, let&#039;s not forget one more thing:

The following SEC teams would not be bowl eligible if not for wins over FCS teams (key win in parantheses):

Georgia (Tennessee Tech)
South Carolina (South Carolina State)
Tennessee (Western Kentucky)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, let&#8217;s not forget one more thing:</p>
<p>The following SEC teams would not be bowl eligible if not for wins over FCS teams (key win in parantheses):</p>
<p>Georgia (Tennessee Tech)<br />
South Carolina (South Carolina State)<br />
Tennessee (Western Kentucky)</p>
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		<title>By: Heismanpundit</title>
		<link>http://heismanpundit.com/2009/11/21/where-would-we-be-without-the-pac-10/comment-page-1/#comment-11899</link>
		<dc:creator>Heismanpundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never mind Solon, he just has his panties in a bunch because the SEC has been so crappy this year (along with his team).

Not to mention, if he had been reading me the last two years, he would see that I had the SEC as the best conference up until this particular season.

As for Sagarin, once again the Pac-10 leads this week (as it has most of the year) despite playing tougher schedules.  And never mind that six of the top 22 in the Sagarin rankings are from the Pac-10 (the SEC has 4).  You see, we can choose whatever cutoff point we like (Solon prefers 51).

This doesn&#039;t even cover the other point of the post, which is that the Pac-10 has been more entertaining and watchable than any other conference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never mind Solon, he just has his panties in a bunch because the SEC has been so crappy this year (along with his team).</p>
<p>Not to mention, if he had been reading me the last two years, he would see that I had the SEC as the best conference up until this particular season.</p>
<p>As for Sagarin, once again the Pac-10 leads this week (as it has most of the year) despite playing tougher schedules.  And never mind that six of the top 22 in the Sagarin rankings are from the Pac-10 (the SEC has 4).  You see, we can choose whatever cutoff point we like (Solon prefers 51).</p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t even cover the other point of the post, which is that the Pac-10 has been more entertaining and watchable than any other conference.</p>
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		<title>By: Solon</title>
		<link>http://heismanpundit.com/2009/11/21/where-would-we-be-without-the-pac-10/comment-page-1/#comment-11895</link>
		<dc:creator>Solon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perry--let me make it simple for you.  

Whatever the Pac 10 does, it is best.  

If Pac 10 teams are scoring a lot of points, that is good football--and those defenses are good, they&#039;re just overwhelmed by those amazing offenses.  Also, teams not scoring points are boring, and they&#039;re not playing good defense, the offenses they are up against are just bad.

If USC wins the league 7 years running, it is still nonetheless competitive because the shit teams at the bottom rotate going 6-3 for second place in the conference.  

Bowl performance is irrelevant...until the Pac 10 goes 5-0 one year, in which case it is all-important.  

And now that the Pac-10 is pretty mediocre at the top, what truly matters is a conference&#039;s &#039;depth&#039;--nevermind the fact that the ACC wasn&#039;t praised on here for having 10 bowl teams last year, and the SEC for whatever reason somehow isn&#039;t as deep as the Pac 10 despite having 10 bowl-eligible teams this year, and 11 of the Top 51 teams in the Sagarin ratings (to the Pac 10&#039;s 7).  

The Sagarin Ratings, for the record, also don&#039;t matter unless the Pac 10 ranks well in a particular week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perry&#8211;let me make it simple for you.  </p>
<p>Whatever the Pac 10 does, it is best.  </p>
<p>If Pac 10 teams are scoring a lot of points, that is good football&#8211;and those defenses are good, they&#8217;re just overwhelmed by those amazing offenses.  Also, teams not scoring points are boring, and they&#8217;re not playing good defense, the offenses they are up against are just bad.</p>
<p>If USC wins the league 7 years running, it is still nonetheless competitive because the shit teams at the bottom rotate going 6-3 for second place in the conference.  </p>
<p>Bowl performance is irrelevant&#8230;until the Pac 10 goes 5-0 one year, in which case it is all-important.  </p>
<p>And now that the Pac-10 is pretty mediocre at the top, what truly matters is a conference&#8217;s &#8216;depth&#8217;&#8211;nevermind the fact that the ACC wasn&#8217;t praised on here for having 10 bowl teams last year, and the SEC for whatever reason somehow isn&#8217;t as deep as the Pac 10 despite having 10 bowl-eligible teams this year, and 11 of the Top 51 teams in the Sagarin ratings (to the Pac 10&#8242;s 7).  </p>
<p>The Sagarin Ratings, for the record, also don&#8217;t matter unless the Pac 10 ranks well in a particular week.</p>
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