Comments on: The HP Heisman Watch http://heismanpundit.com/2009/11/23/the-hp-heisman-watch-16/ Breaking Down The Politics Of The Most Prestigious Award In Sports Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:10:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: sandymex http://heismanpundit.com/2009/11/23/the-hp-heisman-watch-16/comment-page-1/#comment-12015 sandymex Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:12:47 +0000 http://heismanpundit.com/?p=3713#comment-12015 Tebow averaged 2.0 quarters of play in those three games. By contrast McCoy averaged 3.5 quarters of play against, UCF, Louisiana-Monroe, and Wyoming. I thought McCoy's 4 quarter 483 yard effort against UCF was a bit over the top. But if you started eliminating games against poor pass defenses (say less than top 50) McCoy would only have one game against Oklahoma: 127 yards passing on 39 attempts, 1 INT, 1 TD 33 rushing yards on 14 attempts, 2 fumbles Tebow has played against 6 top 50 pass defenses and 5 top 25 pass defenses. McCoy has played against 1 top 50 pass defense and 0 top 25 pass defenses. Tebow averaged 2.0 quarters of play in those three games. By contrast McCoy averaged 3.5 quarters of play against, UCF, Louisiana-Monroe, and Wyoming. I thought McCoy’s 4 quarter 483 yard effort against UCF was a bit over the top.

But if you started eliminating games against poor pass defenses (say less than top 50) McCoy would only have one game against Oklahoma:
127 yards passing on 39 attempts, 1 INT, 1 TD
33 rushing yards on 14 attempts, 2 fumbles

Tebow has played against 6 top 50 pass defenses and 5 top 25 pass defenses. McCoy has played against 1 top 50 pass defense and 0 top 25 pass defenses.

]]> By: Ray http://heismanpundit.com/2009/11/23/the-hp-heisman-watch-16/comment-page-1/#comment-12008 Ray Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:06:50 +0000 http://heismanpundit.com/?p=3713#comment-12008 First thing you do is throw out Tebows stats against Charleston,Florida International and Troy and work from there. First thing you do is throw out Tebows stats against Charleston,Florida International and Troy and work from there.

]]> By: Batman http://heismanpundit.com/2009/11/23/the-hp-heisman-watch-16/comment-page-1/#comment-11961 Batman Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:03:31 +0000 http://heismanpundit.com/?p=3713#comment-11961 The best offensive player is CLEARLY Toby Gerhart. Who cares if his team lost, it was the coach's and defense fault. He scored on 4 TDs against Cal, and had a Heisman Impact Player play when he dragged 4 guys for 30 yds on the catch to set them up at the 13. He has rushed for the most yards and TDs against harder defenses than anyone else. They have been setting up Ingram since mid-season, and Gerhart was ignored until last week. If the Heisman is an individual award and not a team one, then Gerhart clearly deserves it. But I just don't know if they want a white RB, who's clearly above the pack, to win the Heisman because it will distort their preconceived notions. The best offensive player is CLEARLY Toby Gerhart. Who cares if his team lost, it was the coach’s and defense fault. He scored on 4 TDs against Cal, and had a Heisman Impact Player play when he dragged 4 guys for 30 yds on the catch to set them up at the 13. He has rushed for the most yards and TDs against harder defenses than anyone else. They have been setting up Ingram since mid-season, and Gerhart was ignored until last week. If the Heisman is an individual award and not a team one, then Gerhart clearly deserves it. But I just don’t know if they want a white RB, who’s clearly above the pack, to win the Heisman because it will distort their preconceived notions.

]]> By: Geoff http://heismanpundit.com/2009/11/23/the-hp-heisman-watch-16/comment-page-1/#comment-11956 Geoff Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:40:49 +0000 http://heismanpundit.com/?p=3713#comment-11956 Dave, you are right in that Keenum has better stats except for one...wins. McCoy and Tebow are on undefeated teams, and Keenum's team lost to some inferior opponents. Like it or hate it, the Heisman will <strong>never</strong> (like seriously, never...) go to a 2-loss non-BCS conference player, <strong>regardless</strong> of stats. Dave, you are right in that Keenum has better stats except for one…wins. McCoy and Tebow are on undefeated teams, and Keenum’s team lost to some inferior opponents. Like it or hate it, the Heisman will never (like seriously, never…) go to a 2-loss non-BCS conference player, regardless of stats.

]]> By: Dave http://heismanpundit.com/2009/11/23/the-hp-heisman-watch-16/comment-page-1/#comment-11953 Dave Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:11:31 +0000 http://heismanpundit.com/?p=3713#comment-11953 Why is Keenum getting such a bad review nationally? 29 of 39 for 405 yds & 5TD with no INTs and he goes down? He has put up better numbers than Tebow and McCoy when you compare their games against common foes. In the two losses for his team, he was still threw for 900 yds with 8TDs and 1 INT. They lost because the defense was horrible, not because Keenum played bad. He deserves a lot more respect than he is getting. Why is Keenum getting such a bad review nationally? 29 of 39 for 405 yds & 5TD with no INTs and he goes down? He has put up better numbers than Tebow and McCoy when you compare their games against common foes. In the two losses for his team, he was still threw for 900 yds with 8TDs and 1 INT. They lost because the defense was horrible, not because Keenum played bad. He deserves a lot more respect than he is getting.

]]> By: slippy http://heismanpundit.com/2009/11/23/the-hp-heisman-watch-16/comment-page-1/#comment-11952 slippy Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:44:26 +0000 http://heismanpundit.com/?p=3713#comment-11952 Stephen who exactly of note has Florida played? I haven't read anything about McCoy clearly deserving it. Just him having Heisman-worthy stats...based on previous Heisman winners. philnotfil: If you think you can just extrapolate stats like that, you obviously have no concept of football. Stephen who exactly of note has Florida played?

I haven’t read anything about McCoy clearly deserving it. Just him having Heisman-worthy stats…based on previous Heisman winners.

philnotfil: If you think you can just extrapolate stats like that, you obviously have no concept of football.

]]> By: Steve http://heismanpundit.com/2009/11/23/the-hp-heisman-watch-16/comment-page-1/#comment-11947 Steve Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:14:24 +0000 http://heismanpundit.com/?p=3713#comment-11947 I think he finally got it right. Odds are Alabama is going to lose to Florida. Odds have been that Alabama is going to lose to Florida the entire year. When Ingram does have that big game in a win over Florida, THEN we should put him as the likely winner. Until then odds are McCoy is going to win. That said: if there were a college football draft who would you draft with the #1 pick? If you didn't say Tebow you probably enjoy losing. I think he finally got it right.

Odds are Alabama is going to lose to Florida. Odds have been that Alabama is going to lose to Florida the entire year.

When Ingram does have that big game in a win over Florida, THEN we should put him as the likely winner. Until then odds are McCoy is going to win.

That said: if there were a college football draft who would you draft with the #1 pick? If you didn’t say Tebow you probably enjoy losing.

]]> By: Socraticsilence http://heismanpundit.com/2009/11/23/the-hp-heisman-watch-16/comment-page-1/#comment-11945 Socraticsilence Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:02:13 +0000 http://heismanpundit.com/?p=3713#comment-11945 The thing that people leave out about Tebow is his rushing numbers this year- he's going to come up near 1000 yards rushing (on pace for around 850-900 at ballot time)- This year he's become more of a true option guy ala Crouch or Frazier than a passer, add those TDs and he comes real close to Colt (people assume Colt's a runner because of last year- this year he's way off that and has less than 5 Rushing TDs) The thing that people leave out about Tebow is his rushing numbers this year- he’s going to come up near 1000 yards rushing (on pace for around 850-900 at ballot time)- This year he’s become more of a true option guy ala Crouch or Frazier than a passer, add those TDs and he comes real close to Colt (people assume Colt’s a runner because of last year- this year he’s way off that and has less than 5 Rushing TDs)

]]> By: Stephen http://heismanpundit.com/2009/11/23/the-hp-heisman-watch-16/comment-page-1/#comment-11943 Stephen Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:46:02 +0000 http://heismanpundit.com/?p=3713#comment-11943 Whatever pro he/she is it isn't good. It's a joke to have Texas at the top of the power poll this whole year after they haven't played anybody of note and looked bad when they played "decent" teams. They also won't play anybody of note until the NC game (if they get there). Whatever pro he/she is it isn’t good. It’s a joke to have Texas at the top of the power poll this whole year after they haven’t played anybody of note and looked bad when they played “decent” teams. They also won’t play anybody of note until the NC game (if they get there).

]]> By: Brian http://heismanpundit.com/2009/11/23/the-hp-heisman-watch-16/comment-page-1/#comment-11941 Brian Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:10:12 +0000 http://heismanpundit.com/?p=3713#comment-11941 [EVERY SPORTS WRITER] is a homer for the [CONFERENCE/TEAM I DON'T LIKE] and is biased against [MY FAVORITE TEAM]!!!!!!! [EVERY SPORTS WRITER] is a homer for the [CONFERENCE/TEAM I DON'T LIKE] and is biased against [MY FAVORITE TEAM]!!!!!!!

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