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		<title>By: Oxycontin.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oxycontin.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kran</title>
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		<dc:creator>kran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>!!!111 adin adin</description>
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		<title>By: Bucknut</title>
		<link>http://heismanpundit.com/2010/01/14/subterfuge-in-play/comment-page-1/#comment-13370</link>
		<dc:creator>Bucknut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HP, I&#039;m just wondering where you would put Terrelle Pryor at on your short list of Heisman candidates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HP, I&#8217;m just wondering where you would put Terrelle Pryor at on your short list of Heisman candidates.</p>
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		<title>By: Bucknut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bucknut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 06:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry HP. Maybe you had a blog about the Big Ten being slow because that was the general consensus, not yours. Anyways I&#039;ve enjoyed reading your blogs since 2005.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry HP. Maybe you had a blog about the Big Ten being slow because that was the general consensus, not yours. Anyways I&#8217;ve enjoyed reading your blogs since 2005.</p>
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		<title>By: Solon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HP: Obviously, agreed on the idea that the SEC is not always the best conference in the country (see 2004 season for rather clear details of this fact).

But you are surely taking the piss if you are still going to hold to the notion that the Pac 10 was the best conference in the nation this season.  It was tentative enough as was at the end of the regular season, but after the bowls the Pac&#039;s record against BCS teams for the season fell to 9-10, and, even worse, only three of those wins were against BCS teams with winning records.  I mean, let&#039;s face it, the only real quality win the conference had was USC against Ohio State--who came back and beat conference champ Oregon in the Rose Bowl.  After that, the only win Pac 10 had to get excited about at all was UCLA&#039;s win over Tennessee--which was nice, of course, but it was just one 7-6 team beating another.  If that&#039;s your conference&#039;s second best scalp your season was shit.  

And those wins were offset by some bad losses.  Stanford v. Wake was the poster child, but Arizona v. Nebraska and BYU v. Oregon St--both non-competitive blowouts where the Pac 10 team was favored going in--were the killers.  Certainly, those two games should have shown you that the supposed depth near the top of the Pac 10 was a bit soft.  

Now, then, beyond that, if you don&#039;t want to proclaim the SEC the best conference in the land, that&#039;s your right, certainly.  But whether you like it or not, the SEC has had a tremendous run of success the last 4 seasons--one that, quite frankly, seems to have lasted a little too long, given the typically cyclical nature of CFB, so much so that I think it is almost certainly coming to an end, as indicated by the SEC&#039;s mediocre bowl performance this season (which, of course, still wasn&#039;t all that bad).  

Over the last 4 seasons, the SEC has gone 53-35 (.602) against other BCS teams, and managed to amass a 25-11 (.694) record in bowls--despite sending two teams to the BCS each year, disadvantaging their bowl matchups farther down the line.  And, furthermore, they&#039;ve gone 7-1 in those BCS games, and had the national champ each of those four seasons--with 3 different teams.  Outside of the Big East (ironically), no other BCS conference has even come close to matching this level of accomplishment (and, of course, the Big East hasn&#039;t had a serious national title contender during the last four seasons, outside of 2009&#039;s Cincy...who were not competitive in their bowl against the 2nd best SEC team this season).

Look, the SEC had the national champion, arguably had the two best teams in the nation this season, and went 15-8 against other BCS teams (as for the other BCS conferences, the Big East went 11-9; Pac 10 9-10; ACC 12-15; Big 12 8-10; Big 10 9-12).  The schedule wasn&#039;t soft, either--there were 15 out-of-conference wins by BCS teams against BCS teams with 9 or more wins, and the SEC had 7 of them.  

Not acknowledging that the SEC was the best conference in college football this season--or claiming that the Pac 10 was--doesn&#039;t make for hard-hitting analysis; it just suggests you are unable to assess the evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HP: Obviously, agreed on the idea that the SEC is not always the best conference in the country (see 2004 season for rather clear details of this fact).</p>
<p>But you are surely taking the piss if you are still going to hold to the notion that the Pac 10 was the best conference in the nation this season.  It was tentative enough as was at the end of the regular season, but after the bowls the Pac&#8217;s record against BCS teams for the season fell to 9-10, and, even worse, only three of those wins were against BCS teams with winning records.  I mean, let&#8217;s face it, the only real quality win the conference had was USC against Ohio State&#8211;who came back and beat conference champ Oregon in the Rose Bowl.  After that, the only win Pac 10 had to get excited about at all was UCLA&#8217;s win over Tennessee&#8211;which was nice, of course, but it was just one 7-6 team beating another.  If that&#8217;s your conference&#8217;s second best scalp your season was shit.  </p>
<p>And those wins were offset by some bad losses.  Stanford v. Wake was the poster child, but Arizona v. Nebraska and BYU v. Oregon St&#8211;both non-competitive blowouts where the Pac 10 team was favored going in&#8211;were the killers.  Certainly, those two games should have shown you that the supposed depth near the top of the Pac 10 was a bit soft.  </p>
<p>Now, then, beyond that, if you don&#8217;t want to proclaim the SEC the best conference in the land, that&#8217;s your right, certainly.  But whether you like it or not, the SEC has had a tremendous run of success the last 4 seasons&#8211;one that, quite frankly, seems to have lasted a little too long, given the typically cyclical nature of CFB, so much so that I think it is almost certainly coming to an end, as indicated by the SEC&#8217;s mediocre bowl performance this season (which, of course, still wasn&#8217;t all that bad).  </p>
<p>Over the last 4 seasons, the SEC has gone 53-35 (.602) against other BCS teams, and managed to amass a 25-11 (.694) record in bowls&#8211;despite sending two teams to the BCS each year, disadvantaging their bowl matchups farther down the line.  And, furthermore, they&#8217;ve gone 7-1 in those BCS games, and had the national champ each of those four seasons&#8211;with 3 different teams.  Outside of the Big East (ironically), no other BCS conference has even come close to matching this level of accomplishment (and, of course, the Big East hasn&#8217;t had a serious national title contender during the last four seasons, outside of 2009&#8242;s Cincy&#8230;who were not competitive in their bowl against the 2nd best SEC team this season).</p>
<p>Look, the SEC had the national champion, arguably had the two best teams in the nation this season, and went 15-8 against other BCS teams (as for the other BCS conferences, the Big East went 11-9; Pac 10 9-10; ACC 12-15; Big 12 8-10; Big 10 9-12).  The schedule wasn&#8217;t soft, either&#8211;there were 15 out-of-conference wins by BCS teams against BCS teams with 9 or more wins, and the SEC had 7 of them.  </p>
<p>Not acknowledging that the SEC was the best conference in college football this season&#8211;or claiming that the Pac 10 was&#8211;doesn&#8217;t make for hard-hitting analysis; it just suggests you are unable to assess the evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Heismanpundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heismanpundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 04:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anonymous, your obsession over my belief that--this year--the Pac-10 was the best conference and your demand that I write a column &#039;admitting&#039; I was wrong due to the Pac-10 having a bad bowl season just illustrates my ENTIRE POINT when it comes to the conference discussion.

I don&#039;t post the Sagarin rankings to &#039;prove&#039; anything other than the FACT that ANY KIND OF EVIDENCE to the contrary that the SEC is the best conference at any point in the season is ALWAYS ignored.  My gripe has nothing to do with the reality of the situation--determining the best conference depends on what you look for in a league and is subjective--but rather the media perception out there that automatically makes the SEC the best while never taking any contrary data into account.  The fact that a little ol&#039; blogger thought the Pac-10 was the best conference this year and you think I need to re-establish my integrity by admitting I was wrong just shows the intolerance of fans out there who refuse to allow any diversity of opinion in the conference debate.

BTW, I was so biased, I had the SEC first in my preseason conference rankings:

http://heismanpundit.com/2009/07/07/top-conferences-for-2009/

Maybe I should apologize for THAT ranking.  Anyway, you want me to go with the rest of the crowd and annoint the SEC as the best without any question.  Sorry, you won&#039;t see that happen here.  I will call it as I see it.  And I will continue to dog closed-minded college football fans like yourself who refuse to consider the possibility that SEC football isn&#039;t always the best in the country.  Sometimes it is, but sometimes it isn&#039;t.  Deal with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anonymous, your obsession over my belief that&#8211;this year&#8211;the Pac-10 was the best conference and your demand that I write a column &#8216;admitting&#8217; I was wrong due to the Pac-10 having a bad bowl season just illustrates my ENTIRE POINT when it comes to the conference discussion.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t post the Sagarin rankings to &#8216;prove&#8217; anything other than the FACT that ANY KIND OF EVIDENCE to the contrary that the SEC is the best conference at any point in the season is ALWAYS ignored.  My gripe has nothing to do with the reality of the situation&#8211;determining the best conference depends on what you look for in a league and is subjective&#8211;but rather the media perception out there that automatically makes the SEC the best while never taking any contrary data into account.  The fact that a little ol&#8217; blogger thought the Pac-10 was the best conference this year and you think I need to re-establish my integrity by admitting I was wrong just shows the intolerance of fans out there who refuse to allow any diversity of opinion in the conference debate.</p>
<p>BTW, I was so biased, I had the SEC first in my preseason conference rankings:</p>
<p><a href="http://heismanpundit.com/2009/07/07/top-conferences-for-2009/" rel="nofollow">http://heismanpundit.com/2009/07/07/top-conferences-for-2009/</a></p>
<p>Maybe I should apologize for THAT ranking.  Anyway, you want me to go with the rest of the crowd and annoint the SEC as the best without any question.  Sorry, you won&#8217;t see that happen here.  I will call it as I see it.  And I will continue to dog closed-minded college football fans like yourself who refuse to consider the possibility that SEC football isn&#8217;t always the best in the country.  Sometimes it is, but sometimes it isn&#8217;t.  Deal with it.</p>
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		<title>By: sandymex</title>
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		<dc:creator>sandymex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newsflash: Lane Kiffin leaves USC for the New York Giants coaching job!  Here&#039;s a partial transcript:

&quot;This was not an easy decision... something that happened very quick.  The support at USC has been great and we have so many people to thank for making us feel welcome.  I know I can say this... I&#039;ve been here for 4 days and there&#039;s not one day that I didn&#039;t give everything I had to the USC football program.  I know we&#039;re leaving USC with a better program than it was 4 days ago.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newsflash: Lane Kiffin leaves USC for the New York Giants coaching job!  Here&#8217;s a partial transcript:</p>
<p>&#8220;This was not an easy decision&#8230; something that happened very quick.  The support at USC has been great and we have so many people to thank for making us feel welcome.  I know I can say this&#8230; I&#8217;ve been here for 4 days and there&#8217;s not one day that I didn&#8217;t give everything I had to the USC football program.  I know we&#8217;re leaving USC with a better program than it was 4 days ago.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mosdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>mosdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Soviet Union we don&#039;t have press conferences like the decadent capitalistic west we instead have one newspaper that tells us all the news we need to know, and unlike capitalistic nationation we need to know very little very very damn little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Soviet Union we don&#8217;t have press conferences like the decadent capitalistic west we instead have one newspaper that tells us all the news we need to know, and unlike capitalistic nationation we need to know very little very very damn little.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 05:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As it relates to UT and Kiffin, don&#039;t forget UT recruited well (on average) before Kiffin.  Before the poor class of 2008, they had the #5 class in 2007, #20 in 2006, #4 in 2005, #11 in 2004, #18 in 2003, and #2 in 2002 (using highest of ESPN and Rivals to get these numbers).  That&#039;s an average of #10 over 6 years, which is pretty good considering the small state of Tennessee and the large number of competitive programs in the vicinity.  In other words, Kiffin recruited well at a school with a tradition of recruiting well...and he did that with the highest paid coaching staff in the country (I believe), which was brought on with this in mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As it relates to UT and Kiffin, don&#8217;t forget UT recruited well (on average) before Kiffin.  Before the poor class of 2008, they had the #5 class in 2007, #20 in 2006, #4 in 2005, #11 in 2004, #18 in 2003, and #2 in 2002 (using highest of ESPN and Rivals to get these numbers).  That&#8217;s an average of #10 over 6 years, which is pretty good considering the small state of Tennessee and the large number of competitive programs in the vicinity.  In other words, Kiffin recruited well at a school with a tradition of recruiting well&#8230;and he did that with the highest paid coaching staff in the country (I believe), which was brought on with this in mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 05:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HP - I&#039;m not saying that bowl records are the end all measure of conference strength, but that all your assertions this year that the PAC 10 was the best conference have to be wrong with a 2-5 bowl record and especially with the two wins being against BC and Temple.

Still curious why you don&#039;t write about conference strength using things like Sagarin at the end of the season when you referenced them a lot through out the year.  Is there any other answer other than you&#039;re unwilling to admit you were wrong about the PAC 10?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HP &#8211; I&#8217;m not saying that bowl records are the end all measure of conference strength, but that all your assertions this year that the PAC 10 was the best conference have to be wrong with a 2-5 bowl record and especially with the two wins being against BC and Temple.</p>
<p>Still curious why you don&#8217;t write about conference strength using things like Sagarin at the end of the season when you referenced them a lot through out the year.  Is there any other answer other than you&#8217;re unwilling to admit you were wrong about the PAC 10?</p>
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