Heisman Pic of the Day

Again, with Herschel Walker, but this one is too good to pass up.  Here’s the 1982 Heisman winner getting beat in the 60m dash by Olympic gold medalist Carl Lewis, despite his SEC speed (photo courtesy of SI.com):

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19 Responses to Heisman Pic of the Day

  1. Anonymous September 22, 2010 at 6:44 pm #

    Congrats to Carl Lewis… he certainly made the state of Alabama proud against those SEC speedsters. And who did Lewis play football for?

  2. AUman76 September 22, 2010 at 8:55 pm #

    Nice job HP, you just compared apples to oranges. Walker was a football player first and track man 2nd. Lewis ran fast without a football uni but Herschel still blew past or bowled over guys like Lewis on the football field. I notice there’s no pic of Lewis out running Bo? Now that would’ve been an interesting race. Bo Jackson is still the fastest back to set foot on a football field and unless Usane Bolt decides to try out for a pro team he will remain such for some time.

    • Heismanpundit September 23, 2010 at 2:19 am #

      Don’t take it personal AUman, it was just a little jab to get your blood flowing.

      Disagree on Jackson. He ain’t faster than Demps….and unlike all the stories about SEC speed, it’s verifiable.

    • jpep December 27, 2012 at 10:45 pm #

      LOL delusional! There is no pic of Bo vs Lewis bc Bo isnt fast enough to qualify for a race with him. Bo isnot the fasest back ever, Herschel’s college 100m time was 10.2, Bo’s was 10.4. Herschel is the fastest back ever. Carl Lewis and Herschel would both smoke bo in a race!

  3. Heismanpundit September 23, 2010 at 2:16 am #

    Lewis ran track for a Southwest Conference school, Houston.

    SWC speed!

  4. Ed Newman September 23, 2010 at 6:14 am #

    Your last comment illustrates why I think there is an overemphasis on track speed on this site. Sure Demps may be faster on a track than Bo was, and Lewis was faster on a track than Walker. Can you prove that Demps is faster on the football field? No. The conditions are different.

    1. You are carrying a ball. I’ve never seen any study or read any stories on how this effects speed, but it has to. Your balance has to be affected. I would suspect that some players are better able to compensate than others. Has anyone done a study to see how carrying a football effects track times in the 100 meter?

    2. You are wearing different shoes.

    3. You are running on a different surface, one with more imperfections. The condition of the track affects horses; some are mudders, some aren’t. It’s not unreasonable to think football players are similar.

    4. You aren’t necessarily in peak condition in football. After you’ve taken a few hits, maybe have a few bruises and a stiff shoulder are you as fast? Walker and Jackson in particular were freaks because they seemed to shake off any effects of getting hit.

    As you can see in the picture above we are talking about a less than foot difference over a 300 foot race. Given the differences between the track and the football field I think it’s crazy to make definitive statements about who’s fastest when the track times differ by a few hundredths of a second. There is some value in having track times since they are better controlled than 40 times, but not for saying that Bo or Hershel was slower than Demps with anything approaching certainty.

    • Heismanpundit September 23, 2010 at 11:08 am #

      I think you prove my point.

      Determining who is faster on the football field is practically impossible and almost entirely subjective. We could argue back and forth all day on the matter and never prove a darn thing.

      The only data we have where both Demps and Walker ran under the same conditions and were timed doing so is in track, specifically the 100m and the short indoor sprints.

      And in that situation, on a similiar surface, with the same type of shoes and apparel, within the same parameters involving wind conditions and under an electronic time, Demps is quantifiably faster–10.01 (9.96w) compared to (if I recall correcly) 10.32.

      Remember, Herschel Walker ran track and was an All-American in the 100m as a freshman, so we have both runners tested under the same conditions. Put pads and cleats on both of them and you still have equal conditions.

      I think the picture is probably more than a foot’s difference. But even so, a foot’s difference is sometimes all it takes to break that big run.

      I’m not sure why people are so resistant to the notion of one person being faster than another. It’s not a big deal. It doesn’t mean Walker and Jackson aren’t really fast. But if you are going to say to me that Bo Jackson is the fastest football player ever to play, then I think you should be able to back it up. Otherwise, it’s just some Auburn fan saying it cus he’s an Auburn fan.

  5. Ed Newman September 23, 2010 at 1:42 pm #

    First, since the results are so similar and within the margin of error when translating to the football field why even try and identify the fastest player in college football based on track times as you do every year? Why should anyone care?

    Second, when are “the same conditions” not really the same?

    http://theviewfromthefinishline.blogspot.com/2010/07/only-track-field-can-complicate-obvious.html

    The bottom line is that even in track it is somewhat problematic to compare two runners that don’t run in the same race. When the differences in times are literal blinks of an eye, even tiny differences cloud things. Best to just say these guys are really effin’ fast, plenty fast enough to outrun the defense. Then you can focus on more important issues like whether they can actually play the damn game of football.

  6. HP September 23, 2010 at 4:43 pm #

    Well look. I never said the conditions are always exactly the same in track, but they do fall within a known and accepted parameter and that’s why it’s more valid than other measures like hand timed 40s and just looking at a guy run.

    I’m not sure why anyone would have a problem with noting how fast a guy is. It really seems to rile people up for some reason. Is it really hurtful that Demps is the fastest football player ever, as far as we can measure?

    If Walker and Jackson and Demps all had similiar marks, you would have more of a point, but Demps has run considerably faster than these two. And, for what it’s worth, I think he’s faster on the field, too, and a pretty darn good football player.

  7. AUman76 September 23, 2010 at 9:57 pm #

    How bout this one HP? If Lewis or demps could’ve ran down Bo or even Walker on a football field then what? Who wins in the end? Who achieves their goal? Go back and look at film of Bo in the open field and see how often DB’s thought they have an angle but were so badly mistaken they looked like fools. Ask that “sooner” eat shit than tackle Bo LB named Bosworth what is was like to be hit by a runnaway train? I don’t give a damn who Bo Jackson played for he was the fastest RB to ever set foot on a football field. Conditions be damned nobody was gonna catch him once he was by em. Sure he was less effective side to side but strait ahead noone was faster. Ask former bammer DB’s about that one. Bo Jackson is the reason bammer come to respect my Tigers once again, he instilled fear in tusk-a-loser.
    I may not be able to prove I’m right but you sure as hell can’t prove me wrong nor that you are right. Seems we have a push..huh?

    • jpep December 27, 2012 at 10:52 pm #

      Go look at a clip of Bo getting run down by a Cincy Bengals DB when he played for the raiders. Also check out Bama beating Bo in 84 because he ran the wrong way. Bama shut his ass down and also beat him the year he won the heisman. His record was 2-2 against Bama. Impressive! Another delusional barner. Oh and Bama still owns your cow college ass and wont ever respect you. Herschel was the fastest back in history!

  8. HP September 24, 2010 at 9:56 am #

    I think you are absolutely right that former ‘Bammer’ defensive backs from the mid-1980s were significantly slower than Bo Jackson.

    But if Bo from then and Demps now lined up to race, Demps would smoke him.

  9. philnotfil September 24, 2010 at 11:20 am #

    Some 100 meter times:
    Bo Jackson- 10.39
    Herschel Walker- 10.22
    Deion Sanders- 10.21
    Darrell Green- 10.08
    Jeff Demps- 10.01

    It seems like HP has an entire story on this somewhere, he should just link to that.

  10. Ed Newman September 24, 2010 at 12:45 pm #

    “But if Bo from then and Demps now lined up to race, Demps would smoke him.”

    True, unless Bo flexed his biceps during the race. The resulting shockwave would send Demps careening off the track into the stands.

    Bo Knows.

    • jpep December 27, 2012 at 10:54 pm #

      Bo has no muscles, he’s a 300 lb fat ass now!

  11. FTA September 24, 2010 at 2:41 pm #

    HP you are fighting a losing battle here…trust me. But I think there are two points being argued. First, more often than not players with solid track times (specifically 100 meters) have “speed” that translates to the football field. Of course there are those examples of “track guys” that tried to play football and their speed didn’t translate. Actually it was their lack of talent in football that didn’t translate. But again they are NOT the rule. Please spare me and HP comments or lists of “track guys” that sucked in the NFL…I already know them all…thank you.

    And that leads to point #2 all these players (listed above) have or had tremendous football talent but having track ability / speed certainly didn’t hurt their success on the field and more than likely contributed to it. Using track statistics to quantify football speed ain’t perfect but does have some merit and is a lot better than simply relying on 40 times and personal opinion.

    Considering the fact that nearly 80% of all NFL running backs and college backs ran track, in some capacity, in high school (a few in college) it is inevitable that track data might be used as a comparison piece. So it isn’t like there’s a lack of data out there . For those of you that prefer to gauge speed with 40’s and personal opinion more power to ya but don’t discount all other sources of verifiable data.

  12. AUman76 September 24, 2010 at 9:30 pm #

    Like I said there’s no way to know. Maybe with current track conditions and training advancements Bo makes Demps a blimp on the radar. Never know that one either. But if you really wanna know the answer Bo Knows…so just ask him.

    • jpep December 27, 2012 at 10:55 pm #

      We wouldnt be able to understand Bo’s response since he can’t speak, stutters, and cant read. Good thing he has that cow college diploma!

  13. AUman76 September 24, 2010 at 9:33 pm #

    The fastest football player to play on either side of the ball was Darrell Green with the Skins. Even at forty the man could fly. Don’t care about track times he was the man.