Two-Deep and Recruiting Class Evaluation: Oregon Ducks

Continuing my summer homework, here’s the next deep dive into a two deep and recruiting class, this time  Oregon’s. You can see Alabama’s, LSU’s and Texas A&M’s evals here, here and here.

Again, let’s get a few things in order before you read these evals. It’s very important to read this if you want to understand where I’m coming from.

1. Rather than rank someone with a nebulous star rating or a happy face, I am applying an NFL draft grade to them since this is a metric that many of us understand. To be clear, when I write that someone is a first-round talent, I am not predicting that they will be selected in the first round of the draft (though some certainly will). What I am saying is that this player has physical ability commensurate with players who are typically drafted in the first round. The same standard applies with other denominations by round.

2. The two deeps, heights and weights are taken from either the school’s web site or from Rivals.com. If you quibble with who I have on the depth chart, I have no answer for you. Just go with the eval provided. Some of the recruit lists might not include late signees or it might include guys who won’t qualify or will grayshirt. Just take the evals for what they are in that case.

3. The purpose of these evals are to give myself and the HP audience an insight into the raw talent levels of the schools in question. Coaching and scheme are not taken into account.

4. I did not look at anyone else’s evals when doing my own evals. I did not look at stats. I did not read what coaches had to say. I did not peek to see how many or which schools offered a given recruit. In other words, I avoided outside influences as much as possible and basically just looked at as much tape as was available and made my call.

5. I know evaluations of this nature are controversial. Some of you are going to vehemently disagree with some of them. Some of you will wonder what my qualifications are for making them. All I ask is that you put my evaluations to the test in the coming seasons and we’ll see how accurate I was. In the meantime, I welcome any insights or helpful comments on these players.

6. In some cases, for speed’s sake, my evals are very brief, especially with players who I don’t need to evaluate further. A guy like Johnny Manziel? We all know about him. I don’t waste much words adding to what we already know. In other cases, I have limited or bad tape on a player and have to make a snap eval based on what I am able to see.

7. When I have all my evaluations, I will rank the teams and players according to talent level and also overall.

And here we go:

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Terms: COD = Change of direction; FBI = Football instincts; Pass Pro=pass protection; YAC=yards after catch

(Projected starters are bolded)

 

OFFENSE

QB

8 Marcus Mariota (6-4, 212, So.)

Very good athlete. Very accurate passer with soft touch. Compact release. Good arm strength. Dangerous downfield runner. Crafty. Good FBI. 1st round talent.

3 Jake Rodrigues (6-3, 218, Fr.)

Big arm. Solid athlete. Good mechanics. Throws darts. Accurate. Mobile but not a major rushing threat. Upright runner. 3rd round talent.

RB

9 Byron Marshall (5-10, 201, So.)

Good long speed with 10.61 100m time. Average athlete. Has to slow down to cut. Decent power. A bit stiff in hips. Not very creative. Raw. 5th round talent.

6 De’Anthony Thomas (5-9, 176, Jr.)

Undersized, all-purpose breakaway back (10.57). Great vision, can cut on a dime. Amazing feet. Great hands. Not very strong or durable. Explosive. 1st round talent.

WR

1 Josh Huff (5-11, 205, Sr.)

Decent hands. Exceptional speed. Good YAC. Good FBI. Physically strong runner (former RB). Can make first guy miss. Good at finding gaps in coverage. Raw. Mid-round talent.

16 Daryle Hawkins (6-4, 202, Sr.)

Good athlete for his size. Good YAC. Can make first guy miss. Physical. Raw. Late round talent.

WR

7 Keanon Lowe (5-9, 181, Jr.)

Undersized. More quick than fast. Good feet. Decent hands. Free agent talent.

23 B.J. Kelley (6-2, 180, So.)

Good long speed (10.65w) with good length. A bit of a long strider. Raw. Dangerous downfield threat. 3rd round talent.

WR

11 Bralon Addison (5-10, 190, So.)

Quick. Good route runner. Soft hands. Not a burner. Not creative after catch. Free agent talent.

TE

15 Colt Lyerla (6-5, 250, Jr.)

Physical freak. Fluid, flexible, strong. Great hands. Tremendous athlete. Dynamic weapon at TE. 1st round talent.

85 Pharaoh Brown (6-6, 235, So.)

Long, fluid athlete who runs really well for his size. Big, soft hands. Uses his height well in traffic. Still growing into his body. 2nd round talent.

LT

64 Tyler Johnstone (6-6, 292, So.)

Long and athletic. Great frame. Knee bender. Aggressive. Good redirect. Smart. 1st round talent.

58 James Euscher (6-7, 291, So.)

Above average athlete. Bends his knees well. Explodes to second level well. Good FBI. 5th round talent.

LG

63 Mana Greig (5-11, 291, Sr.)

Former walk on. Plays with good leverage. Good feet. Bends knees well. Undersized. Free agent talent.

72 Andre Yruretagoyena (6-5, 288, So.)

Very nimble. Plays to the whistle. Good athlete. Fast to the second level. Some stiffness in the hips. Not very strong. 5th round talent.

C

55 Hroniss Grasu (6-3, 294, Jr.)

Light on his feet, but otherwise a grinder/scrapper. Redirects well in pass pro. Good base in pass pro. A time buyer, not a mauler. Good FBI. Late round talent.

78 Karrington Armstrong (6-3, 290, Sr.)

Very strong and thickly built. Good feet. Good run blocker. Late round talent.

RG

54 Hamani Stevens (6-3, 298, Jr.)

Pretty good athlete. Runs well. Solid COD. Strong. Late round talent.

71 Everett Benyard (6-7, 318, Sr.)

Huge frame. Somewhat of a plodder. Waist bender. Free agent talent.

RT

75 Jake Fisher (6-6, 294, Jr.)

Exceptional athlete. Long arms. Bends knees well. Runs very well. Good pass protector. Good COD. 1st round talent.

58 James Euscher (6-7, 291 So.)

See above.

DEFENSE

DE 

66 Taylor Hart (6-6, 292, Sr.)

Average athlete. Most dynamic as a pass rusher coming off the edge standing up. Relentless. Plays upright. Has trouble disengaging from blocks. Late round talent.

44 DeForest Buckner (6-7, 285, So.)

Physical specimen. Great frame, long arms. Good COD. Fluid when he runs. Good burst. Maybe getting too big too soon. 2nd round talent.

NT

92 Wade Keliikipi (6-2, 295, Sr.)

Good feet. Very physical one-gap rusher and run stuffer. Plays with good leverage. Mid-round talent.

56 Alex Balducci (6-4, 290, So.)

Thickly-built, very physically developed. Good athlete. Strong at the point of attack. Good COD. Short arms, small frame. Not very dynamic since he got bigger. Mid-round talent.

DT

90 Ricky Havili-Heimuli (6-4, 304, Sr.)

Ideal size and strength for his spot. Plays too upright at times. Average athlete. Lacks FBI. Mid-round talent.

9 Arik Armstead (6-8, 280, So.)

Very agile for his size. Very good COD for his size. Good burst and good athlete. Light on his feet. Uses his hands well to shed blocks. Naturally strong. 1st round talent.

OLB 

91 Tony Washington (6-3, 244, Jr.)

Good athlete. Runs really well. Very good COD. Moves very well in space. Can cover backs and TEs in flats. Some stiffness in hips and plays upright too much. Mid round talent.

96 Christian French (6-5, 242, So.)

Fast twitch athlete with outstanding COD. Runs like a gazelle. Long arms. Great burst. Not great FBI. Needs to get stronger. 1st round talent.

OLB

25 Bo Lokombo (6-3, 233. Sr.)

Runs like a safety. Explosive off the edge. Great COD. Playmaker. Amazing in space. Good in coverage. Takes some plays off. 1st round talent.

33 Tyson Coleman (6-1, 222 So.)

Runs well in space. Very good burst. Great COD. Tough, headhunter type. Mouth-to-mouth tackler. Undersized. Good FBI. 3rd round talent.

MLB

33 Tyson Coleman (6-1, 222, So.)

Runs well in space. Very good burst. Great COD. Tough, headhunter type. Mouth-to-mouth tackler. Undersized. Good FBI. 3rd round talent.

35 Joe Walker (6-2, 225, So.)

Sideline-to-sideline tackler. Good COD. Physical. Good in space and in coverage. Solid athlete. Good FBI. 3rd round talent.

OLB 

22 Derrick Malone (6-2, 219, Jr.)

Good feet. Solid athlete. Big hitter. Free agent talent.

34 Rahim Cassell (6-0, 215, So.)

Undersized. Good athlete. Good COD. Sometimes takes bad angles. Late round talent.

CB

27 Terrance Mitchell (6-0, 190, Jr.)

Not a burner but good quicks. Boundary corner. Physical. Good tackler. Decent size. Might be better at safety. Late round talent.

3 Dior Mathis (5-9, 185, Jr.)

Very fast (10.51w). Undersized. Quick feet. Good hips. Free agent talent.

CB

14 Ifo Ekpre-Olomu (5-10, 190, Jr.)

Fast twitch athlete with great closing speed. Superb ball awareness. Smooth hips. Good FBI. Good press coverage. Physical playmaker. Plays bigger than he is. 1st round talent.

2 Troy Hill (5-11, 180, Jr.)

Undersized. More quick than fast. Good athlete. Good COD. Free agent talent.

S

4 Erick Dargan (5-11, 205, Jr.)

Big hitter. Decent athlete. Good range. Good in run support. Always around ball. Good FBI. Mid-round talent.

21 Avery Patterson (5-10, 205, Sr.)

Good athlete. Fluid runner with good speed and range. Good ball skills. Knack for big plays. Mid- round talent.

S

12 Brian Jackson (5-10, 205, Sr.)

Tough. Physical in run support. Good tackler. Decent speed. Late round talent.

21 Avery Patterson (5-10, 205, Sr.)

Good athlete. Fluid runner with good speed and range. Good ball skills. Knack for big plays. Mid- round talent.

RECRUITING CLASS

13 WR – Devon Allen (6-0, 187) - Elite speed (20.98). Very good hands. Elite athlete. Not special or creative after catch. Smaller than listed. 3rd round talent.

36 RB – Kani Benoit (6-0, 205) - Very good speed for his size. Upright runner with a slight hitch in his stride. Some stiffness in hips. One-cut downhill runner. 3rd Round talent.

57 OL – Doug Brenner (6-2, 280) – Thickly built lower body. Good first step. Short-legged so plays with good leverage. Ideal center candidate. Late round talent.

87 WR – Darren Carrington (6-2, 190) - Average speed and quicks. Possession receiver. Decent size. Free agent talent.

74 OL – Elijah George (6-5, 250) - Vert good athlete with good feet. Naturally powerful with good frame. Knee bender. A bit of a project. Mid-round talent.

10 QB – Damion Hobbs (6-2, 195) – Creative runner with decent speed. Very raw as a passer. Good athlete. Late round talent.

77 OL – Cameron Hunt (6-4, 265) – Good athlete. Light on his feet. Knee bender. Good pass protector. Third round talent.

46 LB – Danny Mattingly (6-5, 225) - Good frame. Decent straight line speed. Average COD. Play upright. Late round talent.

83 TE – John Mundt (6-4, 232) - Good athlete. Pretty good long speed. Gets off line quick. Fluid runner. Smart. Good blocker. Mid-round talent.

76 OL – Jake Pisarcik (6-2, 290) - Runs well. Very strong road grader type. Good feet. Late round talent.

86 DE – Torrodney Prevot (6-3, 214) - Runs like the wind. Incredible burst to the ball. Great COD. Super, fluid athlete. 1st round talent.

2 DB – Tyree Robinson (6-4, 200) - Raw. Good athlete. Good length. Good speed for his size. Mid-round talent.

19 LB – Tyrell Robinson (6-4, 201) - Raw. Very good athlete. Good COD. Good FBI. Mid-round talent.

10 DB – Chris Seisay (6-1, 177) - Above average speed. Good COD. Long strider. Late round talent.

24 RB – Thomas Tyner (5-11, 205) - Elite speed (10.43 as soph). True breakaway back. Good size. Decisive runner. Good athlete. Not very creative. Solid vision. 1st round talent.

79 OL – Evan Voeller (6-5, 278) - Good frame. Decent athlete. Bends knees. Naturally strong. Late round talent.

35 LB – Joe Walker (6-2, 225) - Sideline-to-sideline tackler. Good COD. Physical. Good in space and in coverage. Solid athlete. Good FBI. 3rd round talent.

17 DB – Juwaan Williams (6-1, 180) - Spindly with long arms. Good range. Average speed. Likely a free safety. Good FBI. Free agent talent.

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15 Responses to Two-Deep and Recruiting Class Evaluation: Oregon Ducks

  1. Jason August 7, 2013 at 12:18 pm #

    If I’m reading this right out of our 22 projected starters you have 4 that don’t have draft able talent? Keanon, Bralon, Mana and Derrick.

    AND, we will have 6 1st rounders in the next year or so? Marcus, Colt, Tyler, Jake, Bo and Ifo.

    Well that is good news indeed.

  2. Heismanpundit August 7, 2013 at 12:24 pm #

    When I write that someone is a first-round talent, I am not predicting that they will be selected in the first round of the draft (though some certainly will). What I am saying is that this player has physical ability commensurate with players who are typically drafted in the first round.

    If I had to guess, I think 4 of those 6 players will actually be selected in the first round. ‘

    When I say someone is a late round talent, I’m saying their talent is on par with someone usually drafted late. However, other factors such as production, combine, off-field stuff, etc., play a part in determining where they actually get picked. Someone with late round talent could, through production or testing, play themselves into a mid-round selection. Conversely, someone with 3rd round talent could have poor production and not get drafted.

    What these evals are saying is: Here is what Oregon has to work with.

  3. Jason August 7, 2013 at 12:25 pm #

    Between Oregon, Bama, LSU and TX A&M you have 21 total 1st round draft choices. Not much room for anyone else.

    • Heismanpundit August 7, 2013 at 12:28 pm #

      See my comment above. This is not a prediction of who will be taken in the draft. It’s an evaluation of physical ability that compares it to the draft.

    • TJ August 7, 2013 at 3:23 pm #

      Actually 21 among those teams leaves plenty for everyone else. The 21 are spread amongst the 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 and possibly 2018 drafts. The fact that top-5 teams will have a guy or two each in the first round each year isn’t a stretch at all.

  4. Shawn August 7, 2013 at 4:07 pm #

    Wondering why you listed Deanthony Thomas as “Not very strong or durable” ? If you have watched the tape then you should have seen him powering through a few defenders at times to get to the endzone, sometimes multiple tacklers, and I have never seen him miss a game due to any kind of injury. So how did you determine that he is not very strong or durable ?

    • Heismanpundit August 7, 2013 at 5:33 pm #

      He’s not a power back. He’s got a small frame and he’s very light. He goes down fairly easy. He has missed games in high school and Oregon does its best to manage his touches and they’ve done a good job of it.

  5. Seymour Duck August 7, 2013 at 4:16 pm #

    Thanks for the insight. I actually read the disclaimer before the eval, so I won’t post stupid questions you’ve already answered before they were asked, lol. Keep up the great work, Go Ducks!!

  6. DrJLD August 7, 2013 at 4:23 pm #

    Interesting article.

    However, you are rating athletic talent as of today, yet showing a lot of freshmen and sophomores who are still learning and growing and in any cases, they will be much better in their junior and senior years.

    Consequently, I really do not know how to evaluate your analyses. Is this for this year only, or are you suggesting what they will be like when they are draftable?

    If it is the latter, I find it a difficult to understand how you can rate people who have not had full benefit of coaching, physical training, growth, improvements in body functioning, etc.

    If it is the former, then this a good article to tell us what to expect from them for this season only.

    • Heismanpundit August 7, 2013 at 5:35 pm #

      These guys aren’t going to gain any athleticism, except at the margins. 90% of athleticism is genetic. You can’t acquire it, except through PEDs.

      Rating a freshman’s athleticism should give us a good idea what kind of potential he has as a player in his career not only at Oregon but beyond.

      • Mahunashizzle August 8, 2013 at 10:07 pm #

        Well that isn’t exactly true. The majority of guys get bigger, stronger, and faster with age in the college ranks. Staying with Oregon just look at a player like LaMichael James. His strength increased, conditioning, and overall speed increased a lot as his time in Eugene went on. I guess gaining athleticism can be a subjective term because it depends on how you define it, but my definition of gaining athleticism would include gaining strength, and increasing speed etc.

        • Heismanpundit August 12, 2013 at 1:38 pm #

          It’s actually not true that players get faster as they get bigger, at least not after their natural growth rate stops.

  7. Brian August 12, 2013 at 12:35 am #

    Are you keeping track of how many grades per round you give? I know you said you do it based off of talent, but it seems the ducks have an unreasonable amount of first round talent given their 1st round history. Which, according to a quick google, is 13 player in the ducks history.

    • Heismanpundit August 12, 2013 at 1:39 pm #

      Again, I am not predicting that all these guys will go in the first round, but that their physical attributes are commensurate with a typical first round pick. That said, this is the most talented Ducks team in history and I would not go off of past performance as an indication of any future draft results.

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